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BigPickle
02-26-2011, 04:03 PM
The reason I ask is because of the Vickers Wellington, she's a real beauty and to be able to do night bombing missions into the heart of the German capital (as was done in 1940) would be amazing. I'll settle for bombing France though if germany isnt on our main map.

Sven
02-26-2011, 04:28 PM
Weren't Blenheims used as well on the first raids over Germany? And they even have a little stinger in the wing! I believe they were also a plague at night, as they were bombing the German airfields. But yes, a shame the Wellington isn't flyable, it's a real beauty as you said.

Coen020
02-26-2011, 05:01 PM
I couldn't agree more

http://gamer.ru/system/attached_images/images/000/328/171/original/17_IF.jpg?1298534824

JG53Frankyboy
02-26-2011, 05:15 PM
A flyable Wellington would give the "reds" a much better attack ability for online scenarios/wars.
The Blenheim max load is acually rather low AFAIK , 1000lb.
Compare that to a He111's 2000kg...

I realy hope for a flyable Wellington (or Hampden ;) ) soon.

TheGrunch
02-26-2011, 05:35 PM
I would also love to fly the Wellington, not only is it a beautiful aircraft, but such a useful to have for the whole war for campaign-making as well, with rather minor modifications for later variants (just the engines and the tail turret really), right from day and night bombing 1940 to '42 to Coastal Command and the Far East later in the war.

BigPickle
02-26-2011, 09:04 PM
Yeah it sums up rather sad feelings for me does the Wimpy, it was pretty much out classed by the German fighters, and lacked adequate defences really, but speed was on its side compared to other bombers at the time. Its geodectic structure was quite revolutionary and ment it could take a lot of punishment.
It began taking the fight to the axis in 1940 and didnt stop until 1945 even though it was again outclassed by its younger sisters such as the lanc, and was more expensive to produce because of the structure design.
They very often at the time in 1940 went out alone at night, I was stationed for a short while at RAF Honnington, they used to have Wimpy's there untill the base was lent to the USAF, and in stories I have read about the wimpy's from that base the often had these smaller type raids nightly as well as the larger ones, but even in these larger raids there was no formation type of flying (tatics used by bomber command untill the end of the war) they took off one by one and made their own way to the target and back again. Lonely and scary stuff I would imagine.

Sadly Wellington crews took the heaviest toll of all the Bomber aircraft crews, and most of the crash sites of RAF bombers here in the UK were Wellingtons, but no other bomber served for the whole duration of the war in the role or way the wellington did, it wouldnt suprise me that the Wellington being the first bomber to drop ordinance on Berlin, maybe was the last bomber to do so as well.
And they did all this at night and alone.
What a plane.

meplay
02-26-2011, 09:20 PM
So we have no level bomber for Allied?

TheGrunch
02-26-2011, 09:43 PM
Blenheim! :)

meplay
02-26-2011, 09:53 PM
haha doh :-P

kikque
02-27-2011, 01:06 AM
I hope the Wellington is made flyable at some point, it'll be good for the game all round. I like the idea of bombing German targets at night (a possible campaign/mission idea for the future?). The Blenheim is a good start though, can't wait. :)

Avimimus
02-27-2011, 03:06 AM
Yeah, I'm just grateful to see a blenny - past BoB sims had no RAF bombers.

A Wellington would be very neat though, as would an IL-4 for BoM (the Il-4 has a nicely larger payload compared to the Pe-2 and SB-2 - more distinctly different than the Il-2)

Space Communist
02-27-2011, 05:37 AM
Yeah I would love to get a chance to fly one, mostly because it's what my grandfather flew. He was a squadron leader flying out of North Africa and later Gibraltar. I remember him telling me about doing night bombing raids over Italy.

I/ZG52_Gaga
02-27-2011, 09:13 AM
http://images.imagestate.com/Watermark/2493881.jpg

Flight Sergeant James Allen Ward, RNZAF airman, World War II, c1941. Ward (1919-1941) was awarded the Victoria Cross for his actions over Munster, Germany, on 7 July 1941. He was co-pilot of a Vickers Wellington bomber which was hit by fire from a German night fighter, causing a fire at the rear of the starboard engine. Ward crawled out onto the wing of the aircraft on the end of a rope and succeeded in smothering the fire with a canvas cover. He was killed in action over Hamburg a little over two months later.

Sauf
02-27-2011, 10:12 AM
http://images.imagestate.com/Watermark/2493881.jpg

Flight Sergeant James Allen Ward, RNZAF airman, World War II, c1941. Ward (1919-1941) was awarded the Victoria Cross for his actions over Munster, Germany, on 7 July 1941. He was co-pilot of a Vickers Wellington bomber which was hit by fire from a German night fighter, causing a fire at the rear of the starboard engine. Ward crawled out onto the wing of the aircraft on the end of a rope and succeeded in smothering the fire with a canvas cover. He was killed in action over Hamburg a little over two months later.

Amazing the bravery those blokes showed.

Katkatman
02-27-2011, 10:22 AM
About making the AI planes flyable, Oleg already told us that this task will be for the 3rd party developers --> us.
So if you wanna fly this plane
- Try to find wellington's cockpit documentations/plans
- Download maya/3DSmax or any other 3D software
- Learn how to use it
- Wait for Oleg's mod tools
- And do it !!!
(anyway you can also wait for the other modders make it)

T}{OR
02-27-2011, 10:32 AM
I realy hope for a flyable Wellington (or Hampden ;) ) soon.

Fliable Wellington would indeed be very nice.

+ 1 for the Hampden. A funky looking little plane. :)

BigPickle
02-27-2011, 12:56 PM
Yeah very similar to the wellington in many aspects, mainly speed being its only saving grace.
I'm sure I saw a picture of the Wellington cockpit from in game? i think it was on one of the updates, I do definitly remember Oleg saying that there will be a few AI made flyable in updates due to them not being ready in time for release. Hope the Wellington may be one of them.

BigPickle
02-27-2011, 01:17 PM
Some Nice Wellington Information

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/British_WW2_medium_bombers_comparison.png
This airbase looks just like RAF Honnington (or possibly Feltwell), The airfield is up on a rise (seen in the photo) hangar types are the same and they face in the same directions and where the aircraft are 2 years later was a big concrete pan, its very possible that it could be:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/New_Zealand_Wellington_Bombers_in_England1939.JPG

HONINGTON

This was an expansion scheme aerodrome built in 1935-37 on the edge of the Breckland six miles south of Thetford. The camp was situated on the south-east corner of the landing ground which was fronted by four Type C hangars with a fifth to the rear on the west side. Technical, administrative and barrack buildings were mostly in brick with flat roofs, the camp backing onto the country road to Honington village, two miles to the east. The light nature of the soil proved to be reasonably free draining.
In July 1937 Nos. 77 and 102 Squadrons arrived, the former with Wellesleys and a few Audax, and No. 102 with Heyfords. They had come from Finningley in Yorkshire and in July 1938 returned to that county changing places with Nos. 75 and 215 Squadrons at Driffield. These newcomers were flying Harrows, which were to be concentrated in No. 3 Group, albeit that the squadrons commenced conversion to Wellingtons in the summer of 1939. Both were designated as No. 3 Group Pool Squadrons and No. 75 moved to Stradishall from whence No. 9 Squadron arrived to replace it at Honington. Shortly before the outbreak of war No. 215 was also moved leaving No. 9 to undertake the first RAF bombing raid of the war on September 4, 1939, an attempt to attack naval vessels off the German Baltic coast resulting in the loss of two Wellingtons to fighters. No. 9 had Honington to itself until the summer of 1940 when two of the depleted Battle squadrons, which had escaped from France found shelter there for a month. In late July No. 311 Squadron was formed with Czech airmen to use Wellingtons, flying their first raid on the night of October 10/11, 1940 shortly before being moved to Honington's satellite at East Wretham. No. 9 Squadron continued as the sole resident operational unit until it was transferred to No. 5 Group in August 1942 and left for Waddington. However, it was joined by No. 214's Wellingtons for a week in January 1942 while work was carried out on their home airfield at Stradishall. All told, 79 of No. 9's Wellingtons failed to return or were lost in operational crashes while the squadron was based at Honington.
During 1939-41, 18 small pan hardstandings were laid down at Honington, most off exceptionally long access tracks, those to the south crossing the public road. A tarmac perimeter road was also constructed during the same period. The runways remained grass with 1,400 yard runs NE-SW and SE-NW.
Honington was then transferred to the USAAF which had been allocated the station in June 1942 for development to a Class A standard bomber base. In September, VIII Air Service Command arrived to establish an air depot which eventually became the 1st Strategic Air Depot providing major servicing, repair and modification for B-17 Fortresses of the 3rd Bomb Division.
From February 1944 the station also housed the 364th Fighter Group and its three squadrons, first flying P-38 Lightnings and later P-51 Mustangs. The fighter group departed in November 1945 but Honington continued as an air depot until February 1946 becoming the last USAAF station to be returned to the RAF.
During the American occupation a perimeter track and 68 loop and a single pan hardstandings were put down, several of these on the special depot site built on the west side of the airfield and officially named Troston. A single T2 hangar was added on this site and eight Blister type were also erected on the airfield. Concrete runways were never built but the Americans put down 2,000 yards of steel planking on the main 05-23 runway.
Post-war, Honington was used by maintenance units until the early 1950s when a 3,000-yard concrete runway was laid. When re-opened for flying in 1955, four Canberra equipped squadrons were installed. From the following year Valiants were also present and from 1959 Victors. The V-bomber squadrons were withdrawn in the mid-1960s and after four years without resident squadrons the station became host to shore-based Buccaneers. These remained until the early 1980s when Tornado squadrons took over and were present for ten years. Then in 1994 Honington became the depot station of the RAF Regiment with much upgrading of buildings. The flying field with reserve status has been maintained and improved and is used during exercises.

speculum jockey
02-27-2011, 02:32 PM
About making the AI planes flyable, Oleg already told us that this task will be for the 3rd party developers --> us.

I think when he said 3rd party developers he was talking about actual software studios and dev companies like the ones that create pay-ware stuff for FSX.

Do you have a quote that says otherwise? Because if he means to give the average user access to this stuff (besides the map builder) that's great!

mazex
02-27-2011, 03:48 PM
Yep, I would love to pay for planes like the Wellington or the Hampden for that sake as DLC after the release. Oleg must find some source of income so we get the next iteration of CoD! Better buy them from MG so that they are included in the official game than from third party devs...

Sell them for $7-10 like RoF and the ones that like them will gladly pay while the fighter jocks that don't like to pay for them can stay happy with more and fatter targets for their their Spits ;) This "planes for free" in patches nonsense must stop :)

speculum jockey
02-27-2011, 04:32 PM
Yep, I would love to pay for planes like the Wellington or the Hampden for that sake as DLC after the release. Oleg must find some source of income so we get the next iteration of CoD! Better buy them from MG so that they are included in the official game than from third party devs...

I think that Oleg said that all 3rd party material has to be approved by Maddox Games before being released (for online or offline). That way you don't have people making crazy planes with horrible/unrealistic flight characteristics that sullies the name of his great game.

BigPickle
02-27-2011, 05:01 PM
Lets not talk payware, no one has mentioned it offically and to be honest I hope it never happens to the IL2 franchise, i have big reservations about that subject beliving it just becomes prophit orientated instead.

TheGrunch
02-27-2011, 07:37 PM
Yep, I would love to pay for planes like the Wellington or the Hampden for that sake as DLC after the release. Oleg must find some source of income so we get the next iteration of CoD! Better buy them from MG so that they are included in the official game than from third party devs...

Sell them for $7-10 like RoF and the ones that like them will gladly pay while the fighter jocks that don't like to pay for them can stay happy with more and fatter targets for their their Spits ;) This "planes for free" in patches nonsense must stop :)
I tend to agree. Shove the popular aircraft in the big updates, and fill in the cockpits for AI aircraft as DLC. I'd be happy to pay a few $s for the cockpit to one or two less popular aircraft that I'd love to fly.

Avimimus
02-27-2011, 07:42 PM
Wouldn't it make more sense to charge for the popular ones and offer the unpopular ones for free?

Babi
02-27-2011, 08:37 PM
Wouldn't it make more sense to charge for the popular ones and offer the unpopular ones for free?

Agreed. Also any info on the fiat g.50? sometimes it's listed as flyable alongside the Br.20, but i don't remember seeing any screen of the cockpit. Crap planes powa.

JG53Frankyboy
02-27-2011, 08:56 PM
In the past there were WIP screenshots to see. Also, all available sources so far ( videos of gameshows in moskau and kiew, previews, leaked infos of betas) are showing , the Fiat G.50 will be flyable

TheGrunch
02-27-2011, 09:54 PM
Wouldn't it make more sense to charge for the popular ones and offer the unpopular ones for free?

No, because you want people to buy the game for the popular ones. :-P Otherwise who would buy the game if in every addon you got like the Blackburn Skua and a Polikarpov Po-2 as flyables and then had to pay extra for the Spit V and Yak 9? That would be a proper dick move. Imagine if the flyable list for CoD was the Avro Anson, the Tiger Moth, the Bf. 108 and the Ju. 52 and you had to pay for everything else...that's what that would be like.

*Buzzsaw*
02-28-2011, 12:15 AM
Salute

Actually Oleg has said people will be able to create any kind of planes they want, with any kind of performance. Anyone for a stealth 400 mph cow with 20mm gatling udders?

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070519194526/uncyclopedia/images/d/dc/FlyingCowPhoto.jpg

But these will be limited to 'unlocked' non-secure servers.

Only planes submitted to 1C, approved and patched into official releases will be flyable on secure servers.

Tavingon
08-02-2012, 05:37 PM
I wanted to post this in a new thread but thought best to search first..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHyiJZS0ysQ

Not CLOD but from this you can see the inner cockpit which is nice.

Kodoss
08-02-2012, 07:02 PM
I fear the wellington won't come in the near future.

Reason? Too much 3D model parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCCfF5Nryd4&feature=related