Why the need for German planes?

PantherAttack2 · #1 09-09-2009, 09:16 PM

1- About the points such as 'being able to play German/ Japanese in COD'. Those were in multiplayer, which is just the same as flying German planes in BoP multiplayer. The point people should be making is that they didn't have campaigns in COD for the Germans or Japanese.

2- I'm not going into any politics or ethics discussion here, but they could have put in a German campaign for BoP, but they didn't. It doesn't matter for what reason, but they didn't, so everyone stop whining about it. It could be in later DLC, it could not. It's a fine game as it is.

Soviet Ace · #2 09-09-2009, 09:25 PM

I just want to say, that in war. It doesn't matter what side your on. American, German, Russian, Japanese, Italian etc. It just doesn't matter. All sides get their hands dirty one way or another. So saying that flying a German plane is unethical is complete bullshit. I don't agree or like what Hitler did, but if we're going to start saying we shouldn't fly them because Germany in WW2 was unethical, then we shouldn't be allowed to fly American planes. All around the US, Japanese-Americans were rounded up and put in "concentration camps" out here in the west. The Italians killed thousands of Ethiopian's and Japan, we already know what they did to the Chinese and Koreans etc.

So flying German, Italian and American planes, I think should be banned from the game if some of us are going to say what's ethical to fly and what's not. We shouldn't even have this game then since flying German, American, Italian, and British planes would be unethical.

That's all I want, and am going to say on the matter.

M3-SRT8 · #3 09-09-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PantherAttack2

1- About the points such as 'being able to play German/ Japanese in COD'. Those were in multiplayer, which is just the same as flying German planes in BoP multiplayer. The point people should be making is that they didn't have campaigns in COD for the Germans or Japanese.

2- I'm not going into any politics or ethics discussion here, but they could have put in a German campaign for BoP, but they didn't. It doesn't matter for what reason, but they didn't, so everyone stop whining about it. It could be in later DLC, it could not. It's a fine game as it is.

Who's whining?

Anton, for purely political reasons, opted to not make German aircraft available to fly.

I, as a consumer, am addressing his political reasons with a political argument. And, judging by a lot of the posts/responses here, on this thread, it seems to be a damn convincing one.

His argument/reasoning for excluding German Aircraft from his customers isn't even one of 'moral relativity.' He says the Allies were "100% Ethical."

Stalin, Beria, Khruschev, Malenkov, Mikoyan, Molotov, Kaganovitch, Yehzov, Blohkin, etc..."100% ethical." Sure, they were. Those guys signed the death warrants for millions of their own countrymen, and hundreds of thousands of eastern block citizens, for the "Good of the Party."

You can't make a case for change without first advancing a convincing argument.

Make the German Aircraft available for All. Political reasoning aside, they were damn fine aircraft.

LJB

Gilgenbach · #4 09-10-2009, 12:33 PM

Hi,

we all know that the political argument is .. well, rubbish. German soldiers were in the least of cases politcal soldiers. They were sons, fathers, brothers and husbands. Not better oder worse than any russian, american or british soldier. They breathed, lived, loved, feared and longed to get home alive.

Regards,

Rob

King Jareth · #5 09-10-2009, 01:25 PM

For the love of God lock this thread.

ORPHEUS ZERO · #6 09-10-2009, 02:52 PM

Lets not forget the U.S. is also the only nation to ever drop an atomic bomb in combat...twice! Two cities full of innocents were vaporized in the blink of an eye, not to mention the survivors' hell. The truth is, morality and war don't mix. Any attempt to bring a moral resolution, imperative, or doctrine to war is a ruse. "All warfare is based upon deception" When shot at...people have a tendancy to shoot back. And it's always personal.

IamKFAM · #7 09-10-2009, 02:54 PM

Good God.

/facepalm/

loopdreams · #8 09-10-2009, 02:57 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO5WoLnOOlU

M3-SRT8 · #9 09-11-2009, 02:15 AM

Oh ! Loopdreams! Thank You for that!

Outstanding!

LJB

Swagger7 · #10 09-11-2009, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ORPHEUS ZERO

Lets not forget the U.S. is also the only nation to ever drop an atomic bomb in combat...twice! Two cities full of innocents were vaporized in the blink of an eye, not to mention the survivors' hell. The truth is, morality and war don't mix. Any attempt to bring a moral resolution, imperative, or doctrine to war is a ruse. "All warfare is based upon deception" When shot at...people have a tendancy to shoot back. And it's always personal.

True. If anything, I think the 20th century showed us that "civilization" is just a thin veneer, easily destroyed in times of war & hardship. Our ideas and ideals have advanced, but we're all still the exact same species as the barbarians who sacked Rome and the gas chamber operators of Auschwitz. It is through realizing this potential for barbarity inherent in all of us that we can avoid it. I At least that's my take on it.