For 1946 & Oleg Fans

[PantherAttack2]

I didn't read the entire thread, so maybe this has been posted before, but...

BoP is on a console!!! Hello? Don't you understand that at all?

I have over half of the keys on the keyboard mapped to different controls in IL-2: 1946... Console controllers have what... Like, 10 buttons and 2 triggers?
They probably could have gone a lot farther with this game but it's on consoles, there is only so much you can do.

Unless of course you could always add more controls so the A+B is to turn the engine on or off, up and down on the joystick while holding A is to increase/decrease prop pitch, etc but then it just gets confusing and ridiculous.

Some things definitely could have been improved upon, or changed altogether. But for the most part, there is a limit to what you can do on a console.
If you don't like it, stick with 1946. Just don't compare BoP to a PC flight sim, compare it to a console flight sim.

(by the way, you could consider Blazing Angels, etc. as flight sims, because they simulate flight, but they do so very badly)

[Desode]

Originally Posted by PantherAttack2

I didn't read the entire thread, so maybe this has been posted before, but...

BoP is on a console!!! Hello? Don't you understand that at all?

I have over half of the keys on the keyboard mapped to different controls in IL-2: 1946... Console controllers have what... Like, 10 buttons and 2 triggers?
They probably could have gone a lot farther with this game but it's on consoles, there is only so much you can do.

Unless of course you could always add more controls so the A+B is to turn the engine on or off, up and down on the joystick while holding A is to increase/decrease prop pitch, etc but then it just gets confusing and ridiculous.

Some things definitely could have been improved upon, or changed altogether. But for the most part, there is a limit to what you can do on a console.
If you don't like it, stick with 1946. Just don't compare BoP to a PC flight sim, compare it to a console flight sim.

(by the way, you could consider Blazing Angels, etc. as flight sims, because they simulate flight, but they do so very badly)

No you can't call BA a flight sim !!!! They wouldn't know what prop wash was untill i hit them in the FACE !!!

LOL , DESODE

[Houndstone Hawk]

Seconded! Blazing Angels 2 is nothing more than Mario Karts at 5'000 ft

And to respond to "Just don't compare BoP to a PC flight sim" ... the devs themselves were promising an experience not far removed from the gigantically superior PC version. It was said many times in the long run up to release that newcomer or SIM fan alike would get so much from this title.
Fully with you on the lack of keys & certain limitations but Over G Fighters managed brilliantly with all these factors to represent a much more hi-tech air combat scenario.

Storm of War may only start with a few aircraft but they will be perfectly represented with flight characteristics to match & 3D, virtual cockpits & gunnery stations (as has been the norm of this series) will go without saying aswell as the other simple things such as take off as standard, being able to view a replay ... I fly on sim in BoP & while it's great players are restricted only to the cockpit view, the same player wouldn't even know the state of his or her own aircraft at the end of a fight & is missing out on so much action.
A flight SIM without all cockpits, no takeoffs & no replays, no remapple button configs is like FIFA without Goalkeepers, Offside rulings & Goal replays!!!

[PantherAttack2]

Everyone is taking the words 'flight sim' to the extreme. All it means is the simulation of flight. Some definitions of flight-

1. The motion of an object in or through a medium, especially through the earth's atmosphere or through space.
2. An instance of such motion.
3. The distance covered in such motion.

4. The act or process of flying through the air by means of wings.

Takeoffs and landings have nothing to do with simulating flight, or even simulating combat in flight (in combat flight sim). I will agree that they probably could have put those features in, but not including that doesn't make the game less of a flight sim. And please, remind me, if you're all about realism then why would you want replays in the first place? When is that realistic?

And, 1946 is a flight sim without all cockpits by the way.

[Kartman013]

I'm sorry some of you are disappointed with BoP. I myself am a flight simmer from as far back as - wait for it - the late 80's. I went the PC route for a decade, pouring money into upgrades, flight sticks and graphics cards. I have since given up that overtly expensive addiction and kept my gaming to the Xbox 360.

Which brings me to my point; Il2 - BoP may not be your miraculous cross over from PC to console but it does offer a thrilling flight experience, unrivaled on gaming consoles. Sure, not starting off at the airfield, no remapping of controls, touchy controls and lack of crucial virtual cockpits are issues but it's not enough to write the game off. The devs have done a fantastic job and we should be grateful and hopeful that we may get more and more flight sims on consoles - especially as PC flight sims are almost extinct.

I am having a great time and can't get enough. I'm also extremely impressed with the skills of some online pilots.

I do wish for more immersion, replays, etc. but perhaps that will come in time. For now it's a welcome change to FPS'ers and car racing.

[trk29]

Originally Posted by Kartman013

I'm sorry some of you are disappointed with BoP. I myself am a flight simmer from as far back as - wait for it - the late 80's. I went the PC route for a decade, pouring money into upgrades, flight sticks and graphics cards. I have since given up that overtly expensive addiction and kept my gaming to the Xbox 360.

Which brings me to my point; Il2 - BoP may not be your miraculous cross over from PC to console but it does offer a thrilling flight experience, unrivaled on gaming consoles. Sure, not starting off at the airfield, no remapping of controls, touchy controls and lack of crucial virtual cockpits are issues but it's not enough to write the game off. The devs have done a fantastic job and we should be grateful and hopeful that we may get more and more flight sims on consoles - especially as PC flight sims are almost extinct.

I am having a great time and can't get enough. I'm also extremely impressed with the skills of some online pilots.

I do wish for more immersion, replays, etc. but perhaps that will come in time. For now it's a welcome change to FPS'ers and car racing.

Thumbs UP!

[PantherAttack2]

Originally Posted by Kartman013

I'm sorry some of you are disappointed with BoP. I myself am a flight simmer from as far back as - wait for it - the late 80's. I went the PC route for a decade, pouring money into upgrades, flight sticks and graphics cards. I have since given up that overtly expensive addiction and kept my gaming to the Xbox 360.

Which brings me to my point; Il2 - BoP may not be your miraculous cross over from PC to console but it does offer a thrilling flight experience, unrivaled on gaming consoles. Sure, not starting off at the airfield, no remapping of controls, touchy controls and lack of crucial virtual cockpits are issues but it's not enough to write the game off. The devs have done a fantastic job and we should be grateful and hopeful that we may get more and more flight sims on consoles - especially as PC flight sims are almost extinct.

I am having a great time and can't get enough. I'm also extremely impressed with the skills of some online pilots.

I do wish for more immersion, replays, etc. but perhaps that will come in time. For now it's a welcome change to FPS'ers and car racing.

Another thumbs UP!

[l88bastard]

Originally Posted by Kartman013

I'm sorry some of you are disappointed with BoP. I myself am a flight simmer from as far back as - wait for it - the late 80's. I went the PC route for a decade, pouring money into upgrades, flight sticks and graphics cards. I have since given up that overtly expensive addiction and kept my gaming to the Xbox 360.

Which brings me to my point; Il2 - BoP may not be your miraculous cross over from PC to console but it does offer a thrilling flight experience, unrivaled on gaming consoles. Sure, not starting off at the airfield, no remapping of controls, touchy controls and lack of crucial virtual cockpits are issues but it's not enough to write the game off. The devs have done a fantastic job and we should be grateful and hopeful that we may get more and more flight sims on consoles - especially as PC flight sims are almost extinct.

I am having a great time and can't get enough. I'm also extremely impressed with the skills of some online pilots.

I do wish for more immersion, replays, etc. but perhaps that will come in time. For now it's a welcome change to FPS'ers and car racing.

ahhh Kartman you were owning the hell out of me online today lol...and when I finally, FINALLY had you in my sights and was pumping hot lead into you the FREAKING ROUND ENDED!!
Broken Xbox 360

[Kartman013]

Originally Posted by l88bastard

ahhh Kartman you were owning the hell out of me online today lol...and when I finally, FINALLY had you in my sights and was pumping hot lead into you the FREAKING ROUND ENDED!!
Broken Xbox 360

Add me as a friend and we'll go at it again. Although my dogfighting skills leave a lot to be desired - very rusty, very rusty.

Thanks for the thumbs up fellas

[Houndstone Hawk]

Originally Posted by Kartman013

I'm sorry some of you are disappointed with BoP. I myself am a flight simmer from as far back as - wait for it - the late 80's. I went the PC route for a decade, pouring money into upgrades, flight sticks and graphics cards. I have since given up that overtly expensive addiction and kept my gaming to the Xbox 360.

Which brings me to my point; Il2 - BoP may not be your miraculous cross over from PC to console but it does offer a thrilling flight experience, unrivaled on gaming consoles. Sure, not starting off at the airfield, no remapping of controls, touchy controls and lack of crucial virtual cockpits are issues but it's not enough to write the game off. The devs have done a fantastic job and we should be grateful and hopeful that we may get more and more flight sims on consoles - especially as PC flight sims are almost extinct.

I am having a great time and can't get enough. I'm also extremely impressed with the skills of some online pilots.

I do wish for more immersion, replays, etc. but perhaps that will come in time. For now it's a welcome change to FPS'ers and car racing.

Well said Kartman. Nice to read a constructive, level-headed series of opinions & views. I have a thing or two in common with you, it would seem, from being a simmer from as far back & I'll admit I was more than desperate to want the realism & immersive experience on my console. All I wanted was IL-2 from the comfort of my living room; so much so that I didn't hesitate to order up a copy for each of my consoles. The true SIM experience in my view is about the overall mission. The dogfight is just half of the ingredient. Limping away from a hard fought dogfight with a damaged plane & possible wrecked gear & wondering if you'll even make it back to base to finish your mission & then to try & get it to the ground in one piece; I started this thread after halfway through the Scicily campaign whereby the secondary objective at the end (after having your mission start some 300 metres from your target), was to merely leave the combat zone ...

My opinions obviously haven't made me many friends here at BOP so maybe it's time to go quiet & let everyone enjoy their game.

I will agree with your comment also on the quality & skill of some of these guys on the harder settings though & I do commend those of us that don't cheat in a flawed MP that almost invites a bad loser to ditch his or her plane when they have been out flown & out gunned.