The US release date needs to be moved up 1 week it makes no sense at all for this

[H Lecter]

Heroes of the Pacific was an excellent game and at least a bit more leaning towards realism than Blazing Angels (which was such a disappointment with its missing cockpit view that it's collecting dust after finishing only 2 missions).

So far I always hoped for a sequel of HotP, but knowing that IL-2 is coming I don't really care anymore.

An earlier release, though surely appreciated, will not change my mind about these two games. I'll get IL-2 when it comes out and HoE when it sells for half price...

[dennis580]

Well one of the things that is making me lean toward HOE is the preview below. One of things I want are controls that are as simple and easy as possible. I don't want to be frustrated by complex controls.

http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-36...ver-Europe/p1/

There’s a “focus” type of mode called “Ace Kills” that let you take down an enemy with a one-shot kill. First, you have to keep the enemy in your sights without firing your weapon—this will negate the powering-up of the special move—and fill the circular bar. Once it hits red, you can activate the mode, but if you can hold it longer and fully charge the bar, you can set yourself up for some bigger combined chain kills, taking out multiple bogies with one charge. Once you activate it, the world slows down and certain points on the enemy craft are highlighted to show you what can be shot for effect. On fighters, that includes the fuel tank and engine as one-shot kills. On fighters and larger planes, such as bombers, you can target the pilot for a one-shot kill, but you can also target the gunners on a plane, effectively silencing them.

The plane physics and controls for flying are easy, almost to a fault. The Left Stick is your basic flight control, enabling you to climb and dive and bank in any direction you need to. The rudder controls are built in to this, so there’s no need to control the finer points of steering—nor is there any possibility to. The Right Stick controls your throttle when flicked up and down, but also banks you without steering when pointed left or right. Controls like these are less about re-creating the realities of propeller-driven flight and more about making your plane do anything you want it to do in the air. It controls more like a TIE Fighter than a Spitfire. It is practically impossible to stall a plane in Heroes Over Europe, and crashing only happens when you get shot down or point your plane directly at something hard like the ground.

Anyway there will be reviews out for BOP before HOE is released in the US(since the game releases in Europe on Sept 4th). It will come down to what the reviewers say about who has the best controls, the best arcade mode, the length, and depth of the single player campaign, and the replayability of the single player campaign. Those are the 4 things I will base my decision on.

[SleepTrgt]

so if you like that game better then get it
your decision, but dont tell me if BoP released 1 day before HOE you would get BoP.

So i still don't think its an issiue BoP is releasing 1 week after HOE in Us.
Infact i can't even find a EU release date for HOE.

[dennis580]

Well it is a big issue. If the reviews are fairly close then I will almost certainly get HOE because it comes out a week sooner. Being release a week ahead of time certainly does give HOE an advantage.

[SleepTrgt]

Originally Posted by dennis580

Well it is a big issue. If the reviews are fairly close then I will almost certainly get HOE because it comes out a week sooner. Being release a week ahead of time certainly does give HOE an advantage.

yea if i were you i should just really check out wich game you rather want.
Because a no rudder control would really turn me down. But thats me.
And for that Ace Kills stuff, you can do that in Il-2.

I remember the times i was behind a German who started to stall, lining up the perfect shot and BAM, he went down in a nice fireball.
Note that the plane wassen't even smoking before i hit it.(and it was in Sim mode)

[irrelevant]

I think most on this forum will need to agree to disagree here. Clearly, the majority of members of this forum support Birds of Prey (some will buy both games). If your selling points are a combination of arcade style and release date, HOE will win for you.

Frankly, I think BOP will have the longer replay value (three modes, unlimited challenge and learning curve, better design imo).

To each their own...

[SleepTrgt]

And btw Sim mode aint that hard. Put sensitivity down to your likes.
Be easy on the stick, dont be to wild and all be good.

This aint a pc sim, with millions of buttons.

[versapak]

I need to apologize to guiltyspark.

He was right. It was called for.


dennis580, have you even tried the BoP demo? Your ignorance to the differences between these two games is amazing. It seems that basically what you are looking for is mario kart in the WWII sky.

Like releasing a week early would make any difference at all in your case. You want to know what you can get with BoP? GO PLAY THE EFFIN DEMO!



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[dennis580]

Originally Posted by versapak

I need to apologize to guiltyspark.

He was right. It was called for.


dennis580, have you even tried the BoP demo? Your ignorance to the differences between these two games is amazing. It seems that basically what you are looking for is mario kart in the WWII sky.

Like releasing a week early would make any difference at all in your case. You want to know what you can get with BoP? GO PLAY THE EFFIN DEMO!.

I cann't play the demo as I don't have access to it. I only own a PS3, and besides I am still on dialup(yea I live in a rural area that doesn't have access to broadband yet).

[H Lecter]

Originally Posted by dennis580

The Left Stick is your basic flight control, enabling you to climb and dive and bank in any direction you need to. The rudder controls are built in to this, so there’s no need to control the finer points of steering—nor is there any possibility to. The Right Stick controls your throttle when flicked up and down, but also banks you without steering when pointed left or right. Controls like these are less about re-creating the realities of propeller-driven flight and more about making your plane do anything you want it to do in the air. It controls more like a TIE Fighter than a Spitfire. It is practically impossible to stall a plane in Heroes Over Europe, and crashing only happens when you get shot down or point your plane directly at something hard like the ground.[/I]

Ok, now I know which game I will not buy. Even BF1943 has rudder controls and the flight physics there are far from convincing.