oleg, you better hurry, RoF is releasing a ww-2 sim next

[tagTaken2]

You know what would have been fun...

the moment RoF announced that they would require constant connection... organise protest. Everyone who would have purchased without requirement puts $50 into escrow account and RoF get a visual on money that they're missing out on. Money gets released back to each flight simmer at 6 month mark if RoF still requires connection.

I read yesterday that they've apparently said they'll patch for offline if the company goes under. First time I've had a vested interest in a flight sim failing

[ElAurens]

Take of distances are only too long if you don't know how to take off in a WW1 style tail dragger that has a skid instead of a tail wheel.

This is pilot error not a game engine problem.

Once folks were shown the differences in take off proceedure that WW1 aircraft need it stopped being an issue of contention.

Next.

[flyingbullseye]

Well said Blackdog, I've been saying the same thing for some time now but you've said it much better. Heck, 1946 doesn't have a CD key and though we all know its been pirated the sales on it will by far have exceeded the pirates. I still say and believe that when SOWBOB is released the pirate activity will be low, it will occur but low as opposed to other releases much to what BG has said. Once some punk kid gets waxed a number of times and stalls and crashes he'll give up and go back to the twitch shooters and the other pirates that actually do fly will have to shut their piehole about stealing the sim or get expelled by the community.

Flyingbullseye

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by flyingbullseye

the other pirates that actually do fly will have to shut their piehole about stealing the sim or get expelled by the community.

Flyingbullseye

In the IL-2 community, they seem to be welcomed and adored for breaking in to the code...I have alway's taken a strong stance against such activity

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Hi all. Ok, @Feurfalke "Oleg had the chance to play the game before or shortly after it was released in Russia in May. Mid-June US-customers could get a limited number of copies, but sales reached their high not before the last week in June. European customers will get their chance end of July in an English version and End of August the earliest in the localized versions.

So if even more people will give their reviews in August, that is not because these "little soldiers are in agreement" then, but because most of us will take that long to take a personal look at the game and not make a judgment based on second hand information."

That is fair comment Feurfalke, even if by his own admission he didn't play it too long (4 hours) his observations were correct. Mind you, it doesn't take a genius to work out (certainly not one myself lol ). I started playing it on the 29th of June Feurfalke, I was one of the first non-beta testers in Europe to get it delivered from the states......I have noted many things that are wrong with it, as have others. My point is to those who are bashing it, (not saying you are mate) give it more time. All human beings make mistakes, it is indeed "human to err". Game developers are no exception. Unless these detractors come from the planet Krypton, and walk around with a big 'S' on their chests, I'm guessing they have at sometime in a professional capacity too

I get tired of repeating myself to be honest, I haven't got the strength anymore lol. If people don't like it, fine. I people do, great. People who do not like it who haven't even played it bemuse me, but they can have their (somewhat uninformed, like planes will cost "25 bucks each") say too. There is no "war" between SOW and ROF, they are not rivals and there is no need to take any "side". Those who got ROF will undoubtedly get SOW too.

ElAurens, I cannot disagree with any of your criticisms, you are right. I'm just saying give them a chance, and have some patience, maybe things will turn out OK. I know how infuriating a lot of the shortcomings are, tell me about it lol. But I believe we will know better in maybe 6 months, I personally think it will improve a lot. God knows, it needs to. But then for me, the glass is always half full, just the way I am, but of course everybody is different!

My Ha'penny. Peace to all

[flyingbullseye]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

In the IL-2 community, they seem to be welcomed and adored for breaking in to the code...I have alway's taken a strong stance against such activity

I'm not going to get sucked into a debate about the mods, however you don't know for a fact that all have pirated the sim. My bet is very little. There is a difference however fine in anyone's eyes, between pirating a game (stealing) and moding a game that has been purchased, hacked or there otherwise.

Flyingbullseye

[Blackdog_kt]

If modding was the same as cheating there wouldn't be so many modded servers attracting some of the top fliers in the community. If modding was so bad, Oleg wouldn't work to integrate modding support in SoW and he wouldn't hand-pick some of the most talented modders to help him with SoW (his words, not mine, in the simHQ interview again).

For me, the distinction is very simple. The process of modding was a dangerous path, but the results were positive for the most part. I no longer have to fly a Me109E over the Gulf of Finland against Spit MkVs and pretend i'm over the channel fighting against Spit MkIs. I can fly over a map that's the real channel (ok it's scaled down a bit but still it's better than Finland) and see the correct aircraft types around me.

A lot of people who stopped flying IL2 some years ago, finally went out and bought 1946 just for this and got back in the game. Because, no matter how good the graphics, FM or DM, what matters the most in the end is having the tools to recreate as many scenarios and tactical possibilities as possible. That's why modded servers are more popular, you can do things on them that can't be done on the stock ones. I have seen formations of heavy bombers with fighter cover, flying the correct mission profile and using tactics as accurate as can be in a computer game, and all were flown by real human pilots that i had to outsmart to stop them from reaching their targets.

That's the big selling point for any sim really, the ability to recreate more than just the aircraft. That's why sims with just one flyable have become classics, like Falcon4 and Black Shark, that's why a lot of people think RoF is incomplete and that's why the mods are popular. No matter how good your FM is, if there's not a sufficiently well done rendition of the war around the player you're simply flying an FSX clone and not a combat sim. Of course that's a matter of taste, many people are happy with the FM/DM alone, but there's also a lot who enjoy seeing the entire theater of war in motion.

I'm really happy that Oleg's team is trying to go the traditional route and give us something like that, an experience that will be as complete as our processing power allows and maybe even more than that, right from the box.

[virre89]

Originally Posted by flyingbullseye

I'm not going to get sucked into a debate about the mods, however you don't know for a fact that all have pirated the sim. My bet is very little. There is a difference however fine in anyone's eyes, between pirating a game (stealing) and moding a game that has been purchased, hacked or there otherwise.

Flyingbullseye

One thing is for sure, BoB will have some sort of anti piracy protection , wither it will be regular cd-key protection and check vs master servers for online play we'll see soon enough. (that's how most games does it)

Vanilla IL2 doesn't even require CD-Key and it's safe to assume it's been pirated a lot especially on later years, if the game would've been released (stock version) 2005+ i doubt Oleg would've had such a success.

Piracy has escalated a lot the last 5 years.. SoW will not ignore that..

[flyingbullseye]

+1.

Originally Posted by virre89

Piracy has escalated a lot the last 5 years.. SoW will not ignore that..

Lets hope not.

Flyingbullseye