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Old 01-22-2018, 07:39 PM
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Bf 110 vs Pe-3bis, 2 vs 2.
I just realised that initial task was set for low altitude.
Decided to try again.
Bf 110F2 veterans, AI Pe-3bis aces.
50% fuel both sides.
QMB, Moscow winter map, 500 m.

"Cover me" order to wingman and turn into Pe-3bis immediately after the head on pass. Then focus on the higher one or the closest one. Sometimes Pe starts to climb - and it gets more difficult for Bf 110, sometimes they prefer to turn - little chance for them to win turning contest unless their gunners "help". Head on attacks of Pe-3bis are the most dangerous for me. Otherwise, it's just a bit of patience and avoiding gunners fire.

Important remark:
One big - really big - advantage of Bf 110 is ammo supply. In Pe-3/3bis I fire from 250-300m. In Bf-110 I fire from 500m and up and sometimes manage to score good hits from 700m. Basically, I just don't care about ammo in short time mission in Bf 110 and fire at any suitable occasion but have to restrain myself in Pe-3/3bis. Same with gunners. UBT of Pe-3bis is nice machine gun, but 200 rounds is just not enough.

Next time I have to try 110E2 and 110D - the latter without Dachshund's belly, of course. Should be interesting...
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Old 01-23-2018, 01:46 PM
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I did it on 100% fuel both airplanes. And everything started at 1000 as Jumo did.
I will try it with 50% and see if it is far better, or nowadays I'm really crap at flying this.
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Old 01-23-2018, 01:49 PM
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Flying on the Pe side, I always win, on the 110 side, a win was extremely hard.
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Old 01-24-2018, 08:39 AM
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Flying on the Pe side, I always win, on the 110 side, a win was extremely hard.
Try the 110C4. So much easier!
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Old 01-24-2018, 02:40 PM
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I tried again, and it seems that the settings on QM affect the results a lot by changing AI behavior.

If I climb a bit, AI turns around and confronts me. If I just try to pursue, they will fly away from me, acquire lots of speed (I can't catch them), and then turn around far away and fight back.
Somehow this gives them an advantage I can't counter back with my sluggish 110.
I always avoid frontal fire exchange, because I consider it "cheating". Even if the Pe2 rear gunner is a cheat in itself! Some marksman those guys! They will fire at you with precision never matter hard turns, high G's or whatever.
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Old 01-24-2018, 07:41 PM
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Flying on the Pe side, I always win, on the 110 side, a win was extremely hard.
What about luring Pe in turn fight? It worked for me in low alt scenario. And shoot, shoot, shoot. Even the smallest (and sometimes invisible on model) wing damage of Pe-3 impacts her agility considerably.

Saying that, in one on one encounter in multiplay I'd prefer Pe-3 bis to any Bf 110 model.

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Just tried C4, D1 and E2 in 500 m scenario vs AI Pe-3bis.
I still prefer F2 as it seems to me the most balanced in speed and agility. C4 was a bit difficult due to lower speed and climb. D1 surprised with good climb (is it better than F2?) - with all tanks dropped, of course.

All in all, I have concluded that I can beat AI Pe-3bis in any Bf 110 variant in most cases. Multiplay is different story
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Old 01-27-2018, 01:58 PM
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I still prefer F2 as it seems to me the most balanced in speed and agility.
Actually, the german pilots had the exact same opinion! Looks like TD did a good job with the FM!
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Old 02-08-2018, 04:45 PM
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I had literally tons of QMB scenarios in which I went vs at least 4 ace enemy aircraft of the correct period. Like Hurricane vs 4 He-111 (downing 4 of those on ace level with Hurri was a nightmare as those were the snipers back in a day), F6F3 vs 4x ace Ki-84s, F4F vs 4x ace A6M etc. stuff like that.
Arguably A6M was the toughest ace Ai from that time, close second would be boosted Spitfire. But last time I fired up the game it was like 2009 or 2010 so many thing could have changed.

Once I even pushed to the limits and went Me-262 vs B-17 scenario... managed to down 25 of them on realistic settings.

One of these days I'll probably put some of the most interesting stuff online, if for anything that for nostalgia's sake.
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Old 02-09-2018, 07:58 PM
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Me 262 vs B-17 is "classic" scenario...

As much as I loved it and tried it I never managed to shoot more than 12 or so(offline). By the way one good campaign was adapted to BAT last year:
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.p...c,55095.0.html
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