New planes requests (from other threads/please pin it)

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by Verdun1916

Would it be difficult to introduce a BoB era Spitfire with the aid of the allready present ones?
Or would it have to be scratch built?

It's probably not that hard, considering that a Mk I Spitfire was the first modded plane in the game.

I believe that the cockpits are identical between the Mk. I and Mk. V versions. The only 3d work needed would be to remove the cannon barrels which extend ahead of the wings. FM and DM work would need to be a bit more extensive.

[HBPencil]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

It's probably not that hard, considering that a Mk I Spitfire was the first modded plane in the game.

I believe that the cockpits are identical between the Mk. I and Mk. V versions. The only 3d work needed would be to remove the cannon barrels which extend ahead of the wings. FM and DM work would need to be a bit more extensive.

Sorry but I'm inclined to disagree. I guess it depends on what one considers to be hard or to be a lot of work but to expand on my previous post and after a quick look at the stock Vb and Vc in-game, the "whole raft of detail changes" includes, but isn't limited to, the following:

External
New spinner and prop blades (regardless if the Rotol or DeHavilland type is chosen), new exhausts, new oil cooler radiator, cannon barrels and bulges removed, mg's added and a new canopy.

Cockpit
New gunsight, radio controller, landing lamp controls, radiator flap control and of course a revised boost gauge.

There're other details I could add but this gives an idea of what would need to be changed... and also I'd just end up looking like toooo much of a rivet-counter!

[gaunt1]

Ah, Spitfire I... Who needs that... Hurricane Mk.I, british, 1940 variant! That is what we need! Seriously, that would be the easiest thing to do. Only FM change is needed! Also, contrary to the myth, it wasnt the Spitfire that won BoB for Britain. It was the Hurricane!

[Verdun1916]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

Ah, Spitfire I... Who needs that... Hurricane Mk.I, british, 1940 variant! That is what we need! Seriously, that would be the easiest thing to do. Only FM change is needed! Also, contrary to the myth, it wasnt the Spitfire that won BoB for Britain. It was the Hurricane!

Well, I don't agree. I do thing early spits are needed aswell for the upcomming channel map. But I do agree that a 1940's bersion of the Hurricane is needed. So is a few Sea Hurricanes.

Flyable Blenheims, Beauforts, Wellington and Swordfish are also both needed and wanted.

[Verdun1916]

CAC CA-13 Boomerang would be a great addition to the stock game for the SE Asian theater of operations.

[gaunt1]

Originally Posted by Verdun1916

Well, I don't agree. I do thing early spits are needed aswell for the upcomming channel map. But I do agree that a 1940's bersion of the Hurricane is needed. So is a few Sea Hurricanes.

Flyable Blenheims, Beauforts, Wellington and Swordfish are also both needed and wanted.

You misunderstood me. You didnt notice the smiley. Of course we need the Spitfire I! My point was that the british 1940 Hurricane variant would be so much easier to do, (only FM) and so should be done first. After that, obviously Spitfire Mk.I! I'd also love to fly it! (Ok, I admit, if we are talking about the Spit, my preference would be the XIV...)

[Pursuivant]

There's a whole airport's worth of UK and British Commonwealth aircraft that aren't in the game. Along with an equally large airport's worth of French aircraft.

But, +1 to the 1940 Hurricane Mk. I.

It would be an easy addition, for the reasons Gaunt said.

It was more numerous and got more kills in the Battle of Britain (although the more kills thing might be because Hurricanes were detailed to attack bombers, while Spits dealt with the Bf 109s).

Hurricane squadrons were actually sent to France in 1940 as part of the BEF.

[Verdun1916]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

There's a whole airport's worth of UK and British Commonwealth aircraft that aren't in the game. Along with an equally large airport's worth of French aircraft.

But, +1 to the 1940 Hurricane Mk. I.

It would be an easy addition, for the reasons Gaunt said.

It was more numerous and got more kills in the Battle of Britain (although the more kills thing might be because Hurricanes were detailed to attack bombers, while Spits dealt with the Bf 109s).

Hurricane squadrons were actually sent to France in 1940 as part of the BEF.

I agree about the French aswell! I've been hopeing for years that the M.S. 406 and the 410 would be made flyable and a bit larger generic western/central Europe map for some Phony War and Battle of France action. The Hawk 75 was a great addition but te M.S. made flyable would be awesome aswell since they will be just as useable for the Finnish front.
Off course the D.520 would be nice to!

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by HBPencil

Sorry but I'm inclined to disagree.

I agree. I was mistaken. That's what I get for posting without looking carefully source materials first. There are lots more internal and external 3d changes than I first imagined.

Apparently, there are some mapping problems on the Mk. V skins as well, which make it difficult to make good skins.

Arguably, the Mk V Spitfire could be used as a base model, but it wouldn't be nearly as simple as I thought.

But, what might be simple to do is create an "A Wing" Mk. V Spitfire, as were used in 1941. That really would just require simple modifications to the wings. FWIW, Douglas Bader was flying a Spitfire Mk.Va when he was shot down.

Were a Mk I Spitfire added to the game, the logical version to add would be the MK. Ia, brought up to June 1940 production standards (3 bladed constant speed prop, rearview mirror, 2-step rudder pedals).

Other than that version of the Mk. I , the only other early Spitfire version which was built in significant numbers is the Mk. II, which was commonly used in early 1941. The Mk. IIa could use the "A wing" of the Mk. Ia, while the Mk. IIb could use the "B wing" from the Mk. Vb. But, both versions would need 3D changes to cockpit and fuselage.