TBF Avenger and other planes

[Furio]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

So, if we exclude strategic bombing, I think the following planes would be suitable for IL-2 maps

LW: Ju-88A14, He-111H16, Do-217K/M*, Me-410
US: B-25C, B-25G and H, Helldiver
Soviet: Tu-2

* used as anti shipping bomber too, thats why in the list.

That’s an interesting list, even if not includes my favourites… If I’m not mistaken, the Helldiver is the only completely new type requested, all others being already present in AI form, or flyable in other versions.
We are becoming very measured dreamers!

[sniperton]

There's a saying in my country: 'If you build castles from the air, don't economize with the brick'.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by sniperton

There's a saying in my country: 'If you build castles from the air, don't economize with the brick'.

[Buster_Dee]

Originally Posted by Furio

That’s another type under the Gxxxxxn-Nxxxxxxp ban. I would shelve the whole night bombers-night fighters lot. Flying night interceptors would be simply to follow a different kind of mini-map, and then fire on a black silhouette barely visible in the dark. Flying bombers, it would be simply sit and wait for invisible fighters coming out from nowhere.

That’s my opinion, of course.

There's at least one problem with your assumption. I started learning to model for Target for Tonight, I have a radar background and, even as a Yank, the only theaters that REALLY interest me are the Commonwealth night bomber offensive, and the North-Atlantic U-boat defense. The only reason I model at all is that, after 20 years of waiting, I still hope. So, the one problem: if you tell me I will NEVER have my night bomber/night fighters, I'm taking my ball and going home.

[Buster_Dee]

Ok, maybe SOME daylight stuff is ok. I do love that B-26. All the talk about what could be "easily done" by using parts of other birds does not seem to include the B-26, which did have the same turret as the B-24 had (nearly identical).

But, I like the short-wing version in British service. There's is definitely something wrong with my allegiances.

The TBF? I fume to think about having it off-limits. NG was always such a stand-up company--clearly most concerned about giving fighting men something they could REALLY use and repair, giving their workers a real reason to be proud, and giving engineers a reason to do "right" things. I still can't put what happened with that company. An apology from them, and a thanks for all the model builders who became engineers, seems far more characteristic of their legacy.

Did you know that a Hellcat was bounce-tested from a ceiling? It was so rugged that the testers decided to have a little fun. I don't think the cat even noticed it was being abused.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Buster_Dee

There's at least one problem with your assumption. I started learning to model for Target for Tonight, I have a radar background and, even as a Yank, the only theaters that REALLY interest me are the Commonwealth night bomber offensive, and the North-Atlantic U-boat defense. The only reason I model at all is that, after 20 years of waiting, I still hope. So, the one problem: if you tell me I will NEVER have my night bomber/night fighters, I'm taking my ball and going home.

I think we're close to that night fighter scenario. A map of somewhere in Germany, a flyable British bomber, set the lights low, a Bf110G-4 which we've already seen.... would give us some great night fighter/bomber activity.

The B-26 would be amazing however. Very useful over the Normandy map we already have.

[Furio]

Originally Posted by Buster_Dee

There's at least one problem with your assumption. I started learning to model for Target for Tonight, I have a radar background and, even as a Yank, the only theaters that REALLY interest me are the Commonwealth night bomber offensive, and the North-Atlantic U-boat defense. The only reason I model at all is that, after 20 years of waiting, I still hope. So, the one problem: if you tell me I will NEVER have my night bomber/night fighters, I'm taking my ball and going home.

Of course, I'm telling you nothing, being just a guy as all of you. In a perfect world, a perfect sim makes everyone happy.

[ElAurens]

The short wing B26 was also flown by the USAAF early on, and is my personal favorite of the B26 models because it had the best overall performance.

Yes it was tricky to fly for new pilots, even dangerous really, but as one pilot who liked the short wing version said, "it was a weapon". When flown by well trained pilots is was very good indeed.

Add the fact that it is just stunning to look at and it is a winner.

[Furio]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

The short wing B26 was also flown by the USAAF early on, and is my personal favorite of the B26 models because it had the best overall performance.

Yes it was tricky to fly for new pilots, even dangerous really, but as one pilot who liked the short wing version said, "it was a weapon". When flown by well trained pilots is was very good indeed.

Add the fact that it is just stunning to look at and it is a winner.

Wing was short and small. The early B26 was called “the prostitute” because it “had no visible means of support”. But you’re right: it was not designed for joyrides, and as a weapon it was really effective.

[Buster_Dee]

I think we were still in that phase of "almost" listening to British war experience, while they were just getting used to letting us find out some things for ourselves. It's amazing that the only flying survivor (that I know of) is the early, hot rod version.