Engines are too strong and reliable.

[Jumoschwanz]

A simple test for AI aircraft proving they have limits when flown with realistic settings:

Get in an aircraft that can dive very fast, over 800km/hr without falling apart, then get some aircraft with a low diving speed piloted by Ace AI on your tail at over 3000 meters altitude, you will be able to dive away from them because they will break off before their aircraft reaches a speed where it will break. Case closed.

A lot of guys get shot down in dives by slower aircraft simply because they read situations poorly and are not going as fast as the AI initially.

The Ace AI is very good at a lot of things, and one thing that a computer will do better than most humans is managing every aspect of the aircraft better at all times. It also seems to be able to track opponents better than many human virtual pilots. A simple solution for those who are having trouble fighting Ace AI, is to simply not fly against them, switch them to Veteran or some lower setting so they make more mistakes.

I was flying a late p47 against a dozen ACE AI yesterday and when I kept it fast none of the AI could keep up with my aircraft, I was able to pull distance on them then turn back and make some head-on shots at them. I also escaped a lot of it by diving away while changing direction. It is tough to do if you are not going really quickly and a Mustang is on your tail, but it takes practice like anything else.

On a hot map you can blow the engines of some aircraft by using full power in a fairly short amount of time, this was a recent modification to IL2 and it shows that they could certainly go further in that direction and make the engines react even more quickly when they are abused.

I am sure it would not be popular with "gamers", but if you look on Hyperlobby the general population there has no problem disabling any Realistic settings that spoil their fun, so the development team should not worry about giving flight simmers historical accuracy.

Have the Modders taken any time to make IL2 more of a flight sim while they were busy turning it into a cliched Hollywood action movie? No.......

[majorfailure]

Originally Posted by Jumoschwanz

The Ace AI is very good at a lot of things, and one thing that a computer will do better than most humans is managing every aspect of the aircraft better at all times. It also seems to be able to track opponents better than many human virtual pilots. A simple solution for those who are having trouble fighting Ace AI, is to simply not fly against them, switch them to Veteran or some lower setting so they make more mistakes.

AI is way too good at spotting and keeping track of enemy planes - not only ace AI. It just happens far too seldom, that you attack an AI from below 6 and they do not twitch at exactly the right moment. And they seem too aware of anything around them - even at lower levels, and they seem to be able to look and lean in one direction and look to the opposite a split second later.
AI is more convincing to me than ever before, but it could IMHO still use some improvement.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by majorfailure

AI is way too good at spotting and keeping track of enemy planes - not only ace AI. It just happens far too seldom, that you attack an AI from below 6 and they do not twitch at exactly the right moment. And they seem too aware of anything around them - even at lower levels, and they seem to be able to look and lean in one direction and look to the opposite a split second later.
AI is more convincing to me than ever before, but it could IMHO still use some improvement.

They still have a kind of radar where if the object is in their viewable arc out to a certain distance they will see it. At least they can't see through the airplane anymore. That was a big change back a couple of patches ago too. You can sneak up on them but it's very hard because if you appear at all in their viewable arc at any point during the approach they will see you and react.

It could be better but I don't want people to think that it hasn't improved since the earlier days. I think they can't see through clouds anymore either but I'm not 100% if that was actually implemented or not.

[Jumoschwanz]

You can lose Ace AI by going through clouds, how could anyone who flies this sim with any frequency not know that???

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Jumoschwanz

You can lose Ace AI by going through clouds, how could anyone who flies this sim with any frequency not know that???

The last few times they still managed to find me so....

[majorfailure]

Originally Posted by IceFire

They still have a kind of radar where if the object is in their viewable arc out to a certain distance they will see it. At least they can't see through the airplane anymore. That was a big change back a couple of patches ago too. You can sneak up on them but it's very hard because if you appear at all in their viewable arc at any point during the approach they will see you and react.

That was IMHO partially offset due to AI able to lean right/left and that way they seem to be able to cover even their sixes while still retaining control of their plane - a move which I think is next to impossible to a rookie human player. AI is IMHO too good at doing a lot of things simultaneously.

Originally Posted by IceFire

It could be better but I don't want people to think that it hasn't improved since the earlier days. I think they can't see through clouds anymore either but I'm not 100% if that was actually implemented or not.

It has improved way beyond what I thought possible before around 4.09.
But it still needs a little improvment IMHO. Especially the task overload a rookie in his first few combat actions would typically experience, despite all training - and not all oft them did recieve as thourogh a preparation as early war German/Japanese or mid-late war British/American pilots did.

[sniperton]

Originally Posted by majorfailure

That was IMHO partially offset due to AI able to lean right/left and that way they seem to be able to cover even their sixes

You're probably right, but it happened to me a couple of times that I attacked an AI from a climb, that is, from his absolute dead six fully covered, as I believed, by the bottom of his fuselage, and still he broke away as soon as I arrived in firing distance (<300). He may have seen me curving in, but I seriously doubt that he could see me in the last hundred meters of my approach. Either he's got a monstruous rubber-neck to lean out and look back (as you suggest), or he's so clever as to count till ten after I disappeared from his sight...

[Laurwin]

good tactic which works in multiplayer at least, would be to make a diving attack from above and behind.

Dive below the AI, and shoot him when you start zoom climbing, and then continue zooming up.

Adolf Galland used that tactic quite often in Battle of Britain.

[Jure_502]

Well overall I think such AI as it is now, is way much fun then before.
Before they were just speed junkies with bad accuracy, firing their guns allways off (unless a veteran or ace).

Even old campaigns are now way much intensive then before, and when I complete the hardest missions, I feel like I'm happy to be alive - just like reading Clostermann's or other reall ww2 pilots books. Feels intensive.

[majorfailure]

Originally Posted by sniperton

You're probably right, but it happened to me a couple of times that I attacked an AI from a climb, that is, from his absolute dead six fully covered, as I believed, by the bottom of his fuselage, and still he broke away as soon as I arrived in firing distance (<300). He may have seen me curving in, but I seriously doubt that he could see me in the last hundred meters of my approach. Either he's got a monstruous rubber-neck to lean out and look back (as you suggest), or he's so clever as to count till ten after I disappeared from his sight...

Either possibility makes them more unlike human pilots.

Originally Posted by Laurwin

good tactic which works in multiplayer at least, would be to make a diving attack from above and behind.

Dive below the AI, and shoot him when you start zoom climbing, and then continue zooming up.

Adolf Galland used that tactic quite often in Battle of Britain.

Have tried it and it works sometimes, but not as often as I'd think a seemingly unsuspecting enemy would be shot down. I in the position of the aatacked would either not see my enemy coming until too late or if I would, then I'd react early - because else I'd risk getting my timing to the break wrong.