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10-31-2014, 09:15 PM
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I believe if you turn on the Arcade=1 mode in the config.ini file it will show you graphically what the AI is doing and what degree of error they have in firing at you from all angles. They are better at deflection shooting now but they are more limited in the opportunities they can employ it without some degree of guessing. I think maybe adjusting expectations? The Ace should be a top tier opponent... something you run into rarely or never. Your Beurling, Hartmann, or Gabreski as examples. Someone who is really gifted at being a combat pilot. Folks like Beurling could fly into an enemy formation and shoot down a couple of planes at a time before the enemy could react - even Allied commanders didn't believe Beurling's kills because the film camera was setup to record ahead of him and he was shooting them down at 60-90 degree deflection angles with only a few bullets each.
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11-02-2014, 12:40 AM
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I agree with what IceFire talks about.
Frankly, what is needed is more of a personal adjustment to the perception of what "Ace" actually means within the current AI routines. Ace AI pilots aren't merely the pilots with five (or ten) or more kills. Ace AI pilots are the rare gifted ones that an individual player may only rarely or never run into. The ones who can get in, get kills, and get out almost at will. Correspondingly, Ace AI pilots should be every bit as difficult to fight against as Pugo describes. A lot of the problem arises when players use old campaigns with the AI skill set according to how the AI behaved in older versions of the game, prior to the re-write. Now, with the new AI routines, it is perhaps necessary to reset AI skills to lower levels in the legacy campaigns and ensure they set accordingly in newer ones.
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11-02-2014, 02:13 AM
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more control over the ai
In my humble opinion, the AI are good enough and most of the time offer a good level of challenge. One thing I do want is more control over ur squad when u r leading. It seens that regardless of what I do the ais will always break off from the formation and engage the enemy. Maybe, they could implement something that would prevent the ai from breaking formation unless being told to by the cover me command or when being shot at. This would give a much better control of the fight when u r leading. Another problem is the break and rejoin.... Maybe we could have a rejoin that would actually make the ai literally abandon whatever it is doing to get back to u and a break formation that would make it fend for himself. The unresponsive ai is the only thing that bothers me when playing offline ...
Regards Riksen
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11-02-2014, 07:07 AM
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Very handy when flying bombing missions and you want your flight to stay in formation and drop their payload on command simultaneously.
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11-02-2014, 01:53 PM
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Currently, Ace AI represents exactly what Icefire is talking about, a hypothetical pilot with top 1% eyesight, aggression, situational awareness, reaction times, object tracking, air combat maneuvering, gunnery, bombing, rocketry, navigation and G-tolerance. (Realistically, no WW2-era ace, even the top aces, possessed all those traits.) Before the 4.12 patch, however, Ace AI represented "tough but beatable by a good player." These days, lesser aces (i.e., 5-10 kills) are better represented by Veteran or even Average AI. In some ways, Rookie AI now best represents "average" pilots of most air forces who lacked the aggressiveness and skills to even shoot down one enemy aircraft (approximately 90% of U.S. fighter pilots, even in combat zones. Probably similar for other air forces). Certainly, Rookie AI is necessary for bomber intercept missions because gunners are still too good at ranging target distance and speed, too good at acquiring and tracking targets, and aren't hindered by plane vibration, turbulence or slipstream effects. IL2 also doesn't model AI inferior to Rookie AI, at the "cannon fodder/ student/ unqualified" level, despite the fact that depending on the year and the air force, novice combat pilots might have had as little as 40 hours of total flight instruction, VFR only instrument rating, no gunnery practice, no meteorology or ground school training, limited target recognition skills and no flight time at all "in type". Last edited by Pursuivant; 11-02-2014 at 02:16 PM.
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11-02-2014, 02:29 PM
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11-02-2014, 04:08 PM
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Since AI now has to estimate deflection (and presumably speed and range), that gives me confidence that DT will be able to easily fix the remaining issues with AI gunnery. Currently, even Ace AI planes aren't very good at correcting their aiming point, or holding their fire if they can't correct their aiming point to hit. For example, if you're being shot at while both you and your pursuer are in a tight turn, your opponent should realize that he's missing if he doesn't see hits on your plane after a couple of seconds and should try to pull more lead. But, if he can't pull more lead, then he should stop firing to conserve ammo. For flexible gunnery, Ace AI should know to hold their fire until bogies get within 300-500 yards/meters. At any level of AI gunners should also have much more trouble with range and speed estimation, particularly when using hand-turned guns and/or iron sights.
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11-04-2014, 05:44 PM
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Realistic Rearming and Refueling
Peter Townsend (RAF squadron leader and ace in the Battle of Britain) writes in "Duel of Eagles" that it was possible for experienced aircraft fitters to completely refuel and rearm his Hurricane in about 5 minutes. Additionally, in this time, they could check the oil, replace the oxygen tanks and clean the windshield!
With that in mind, it doesn't seem unreasonable for IL2 to allow rearming and refueling, limited to just replenishing fuel and ammunition, only for single-engined aircraft, only in specially designated areas of certain airfields, only after at least 5 minutes of waiting with the engine off, and only if the airfield isn't damaged or under attack. Repair, beyond doing things like fixing jammed guns, should still be impossible. Likewise, it shouldn't be possible to replenish external stores in such a brief period of time. As for rates of replenishment, I'd conservatively suggest that fuel can be replaced at a rate of approximately 10 gallons per minute, and ammunition can be replenished at a rate of approximately 500 rounds per minute. This is based 5 minutes "turnaround time" for rearming and refueling, 97 gallons of fuel and 2,640 bullets in a Hurricane Mk I, and the assumption that planes landed with approximately half-full fuel tanks but completely empty guns. Unrealistically fast rearming, refueling and repair (RRR) could be added as a option for dogfight maps, using realistic RRR as a departure point.
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11-04-2014, 06:52 PM
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"IL2 also doesn't model AI inferior to Rookie AI, at the "cannon fodder/ student/ unqualified" level, despite the fact that depending on the year and the air force, novice combat pilots might have had as little as 40 hours of total flight instruction, VFR only instrument rating, no gunnery practice, no meteorology or ground school training, limited target recognition skills and no flight time at all "in type". "
No need for TD to model that pilot, that's me.
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11-04-2014, 07:34 PM
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If you doubt me, queue up a 4 v. 4 QMB mission between any type of fighter and with rookie AI on both sides. Put your plane on "autopilot" and watch the action. You will notice that "rookie" pilots consistently close with their targets, try to maneuver onto their opponent's tail, hold fire until proper firing ranges, correctly compute simple deflection shots, and fire in 2-3 second bursts. All those traits are consistent with a very well-trained, highly aggressive pilot. This means that a 4 vs. 4 rookie encounter usually results in complete destruction of one side, with at least one "rookie" pilot achieving multiple kills. While that makes for a satisfying game experience, realistically that level of aggression and shooting skill is VERY rare, and is consistent with what one would expect from an Ace (or future ace) pilot. Historically, most pilots (i.e., anyone other than Veteran or Ace pilots) were absolutely terrible at ranging and deflection shooting, especially when shooting at distant targets or at high deflection angles. Quote:
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One of the common things that combat pilots recall about their first mission is their almost total lack of SA. They are entirely focused on following their leader or staying in formation, and fail to see other aircraft, even at close range. In combat, they also describe aircraft as popping up and vanishing from sight, which implies total lack of tracking ability. The stress of combat also commonly causes tunnel vision. For this reason, many rookie pilots fail to realize that they're under attack until their plane is hit. Finally, rookies, especially "cannon fodder" pilots below the level that rookie currently models should panic under stress. For example, when suddenly attacked, they might break so hard that they send their plane into a stall. Or, if their plane is damaged, they might bail out rather than trying to nurse the plane home. For those reasons, I think that rookies, even well-trained rookies, should have the following traits: 1) No spotting ability beyond what they can see through their windscreen at 500 meters or less. 2) Limited peripheral vision. It should take them a few seconds to notice even close targets outside the 10 o'clock to 2 o'clock level area. It should also take them a few seconds to realize that they're being shot at. 3) Very limited spotting ability for targets beyond 500 meters. 4) Very poor aircraft recognition in combat. Unless they can clearly see national markings (i.e., from the side, above or below at about 100 meters or less) rookies should regularly mistake friend for foe and vice-versa. 5) No Situational Awareness - if a rookie pilot can't see it, they can't respond to it. While they can still maneuver to try to keep a target in their sight, they automatically lose track of any target they can't see. 6) Chance of panicking when damaged or under close attack. Panicking while damaged typically means bailing out. Panicking while under attack might mean a hard turn that results in a stall or excessive energy loss, or a straight-line dive that sets the rookie up for an easy shot and makes them lose position. For badly disadvantaged rookies over friendly territory, they might just bail out! (This was a not uncommon tactic for German pilots during 44-45) 7) Even worse gunnery skills. A high chance of opening fire at extreme ranges. Very poor deflection shooting, even for relatively low deflection shots. Tendency to fire long bursts that waste ammo. Average or Veteran pilots should have better ability to spot and identify incoming threats, very good ability to identify friendly or enemy aircraft, and far less tendency to panic, but very limited SA. That is, they should have very little ability to guess where even a single hidden but previously "acquired" enemy is relative to their own plane as it maneuvers, and very limited ability to guess at a maneuvering plane's energy state or likely next move. Average pilots should be able to follow one hidden target, veterans 2-3. Aces should have the ability to track 4 or more different targets. Last edited by Pursuivant; 11-04-2014 at 07:42 PM.
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