ROF online shenanigan.

[virre89]

It may be where your challenge comes from...but it certainly isn't where everyones comes from

Certainly isn't but the fact remains that SP stays static vs mp which is more dynamic and anything can happen, smart AI is one thing but humans is another thing.

Or reject it...Or indeed reject it quite vocally as we feel they are trying to modify gamers behavior and impose their idea of what a flight simulation should be all about on us...

I don't want to go online...
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Just don't buy it then, they've made their decision and it's their product not yours. They certainly ain't doing this just to piss you off which you seem to think.

I hope Oleg is reading these threads...

I wouldn't mind him implementing this as well... maybe you do but its still a great solution, except for the fact that the offline users can't play the game.

I think u fail to see the main reason why A LOT of people dont like this new development, they took something that is an option (offline) most people use atleast once and most of the time more than that and turned into some kind of a problem.

Simply put: why should u or the dev team or anyonelse for that matter care when and if i play singel player mode?

Seriously, give me 1 valid reason and ill give u a milion bucks.


"Copyprotection" doesnt fly, if you are that scared of pirates dont sail on the 7 seas.

It's defiantly not a definite option these days, just look around you there's a lot of online-only games and maybe this is the future for the simulation market as well. Dear god , i hope you're aware that the simulation market is very thin already and piracy ain't helping and the developers have to do something.

My VAILD reason is piracy and the only once to blame for todays copy protections is the customers, if the world wouldn't be filled with greedy kids downloading everything we wouldn't need this kind of stuff.

It may be about developers getting tough with pirates, I'm not sure that's going to work out, as I've heard said a lot before, it seems to be the customers that get the rough end of that deal, even though they are not the ones causing the problem.

Customers are the only reason why copy protection exists it's not just there to make you pissed. We are the problem, not the developers when it comes to protection features.

I'd be interesting and laughable to see how many people here, who are so against any kind of game protection, would change their tune, if they owned a percentage of the PC game.

Very true, people here didn't invest millions in the product and that's why they fail to see the reasons why the developers do this.

so not only do they expect permanent online access exists for all gamers at all times, but they seem to think we will trust them enough to let our home/work pc's become virtual drone terminals where they can constantly install and alter files without owner control/authorization ? dream on folks, pull the other one !

when you add to that they already say you will have to pay for addon planes and other new features, we are being sold a pig in sheeps clothing it seems. when a few months later they provide a major upgrade in features or scenery, they will want another 50$ ahh and if you dont pay you cant use your old game anymore because it is not compatible with whatever for sale crap they again added to their servers.

they dont seem to want us to realize the you are starting on a conveyor belt of perpetual upgrades where we are treated as dumb cash machines. pox and petulance for ten generations on the moronic brain that came up with this plan ! duh there is already a model for this, a free game, where you pay an online monthly fee ! calling their current marketing plan anything else is misleading.


let us il2 fan's thank the gods for having somebody like oleg involved in the sim world, giving us lots of features and options, single player, multiplayer, coop, single missions, campaigns (dynamic and scripted), online and offline, etc.. and yes once we have bought the game we are willing to pay later for whatever new the CUSTOMER WANTS to add in new planes/scenery add those new features or upgrade, because we can also still use the product we initially payed for if we dont upgrade. not that hard to grasp the basic concept, is it now

just hold on to your cash folks, all we need from oleg will be a couple of ww1 planes and ROF will be blown aside, and yes, that will be with oleg's grass moving in the wind at the same time we start our engines

You don't believe you can trust a developer .. dear god.
Where's you're proof of updates without your agreement? They've said they will allow constant updates automatically via their service, that doesn't mean you won't know it's happening. You're most likely going to have to accept it each and every time.

And as we all know there is an single player mode just that it requires an online connection for statistics, meaning that you can most likely play without owning the latest patches or stuff like that. When going online you'll need game updates that fix stuff like glitches,bugs and balance due to synchronization and cheat protection .. but for game content such as planes etc it will be up to the customer if he/she wants to buy it as a flyable otherwise you'll only see others fly around in them.

Do you trust anyone?.. the cash dispenser?
Common sense is one thing but paranoia is another one.

I am defiantly not going to hold on to my cash and miss out on such an awesome title, but you go ahead sir your loss.
We all know that BoB is currently far away and that it's centered around ww2, meaning you won't see any ww1 planes in it anytime soon.
Besides i think RoF game engine looks stunning with all the particle effects,lightning and wind flow, i think you're just very pissed at the moment but please don't try to convince us buyers of standing down because i couldn't care less if you do.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by virre89

You don't believe you can trust a developer .. dear god.
Where's you're proof of updates without your agreement?

wrong question, you should be asking "what is the evidence we can trust this new group of sales people" and start on the perpetual conveyor belt of us being milked for more money at every turn ? right now they are already several steps in the wrong and showing they cant be trusted, for ex giving misleading information during development to artificially generate interest, provide misleading information in their sales pitch ( clear warning on game box in store, or clear warning in online sales webpage) without an option to get your money back once innocent buyers have been misled thinking they have bought a "normal" game.

Originally Posted by virre89

They've said they will allow constant updates automatically via their service, that doesn't mean you won't know it's happening. You're most likely going to have to accept it each and every time.

keyword being "most likely" in what you just said, aka you giving your personal opinion about something you cant guarantee to be the case right now, and just seem to have a blind faith all will be well if you just keep giving them money. the way i read that is that for 50$ i get the first put-put plane from 1914, and 6 weeks later johny next door buys the souped up 1918 model and i cant compete online unless i spend more money again.

Originally Posted by virre89

And as we all know there is an single player mode just that it requires an online connection for statistics

you must be living in santa clause land if you believe the internet connection is just innocently used to provide "player statistics" for ladders and competitive tables.

if that was the whole reason the solution would be very simple, keep a normal single player ofline function, and whenever the person in future goes online popup a little window that says "would you like to submit your player stats online : yes/no", simple eh. since that is not the case its again an example of them providing misleading information.

Originally Posted by virre89

meaning that you can most likely play without owning the latest patches or stuff like that.

see there you go again waving around your hypothetical "most likely's" as if they are gospel truth, they aren't, you are just speculating

Originally Posted by virre89

Besides i think RoF game engine looks stunning with all the particle effects,lightning and wind flow,....

looks to me like an old grafix engine that tried to copy the now dated il2 world we already have, with a few new effects added, maybe 20% improvement over our current il2 we already have (and with free mods can be similarly improved 20% to). once BoB is released it will be a 300% improvement with a brand new 2009 game and grafix engine with multiple expansion possibilities built in for many years to come.

you of course can do with your money whatever you like, including tossing it out the window most of us are more selective, by force, choice, or principle !

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