Il-2 MODs

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by KOM.Nausicaa

Bearcat,

sorry pal, but here you are wrong. You can't cheat in CFS3 because of the checksum comparaison system. It compares a/c data of all users. If you don't have the same, you can't enter the game, period. It's true that Mods killed online CFS3, but not because of cheating, but because of the impossibility-or almost- to find people with the same modded install. The checksum system worked so well that nobody could join nobodys room anymore if you wouldn't play vanilla stock. There were more than one online squads that gave up because of this. However, stock online rooms existed until they took the server down.

I was thinking more of CFS1&2.. I could never get CFS3 to run right and I thought it was such a POS that I didnt even include it in the running other than to say it stank.... for me anyway.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I was thinking more of CFS1&2.. I could never get CFS3 to run right and I thought it was such a POS that I didnt even include it in the running other than to say it stank.... for me anyway.

Totally agree with you on CFS3 bearcat... CFS1, didn't do much for me but CF2 was worth it's weight in salt at the time. Which brings me to ask; "where did the Zone Monster grow from"?

it grew from the growing amount of mods being used.

I didn't keep CFS3 long enough to explore online and i was lead to believe the mismatch thingy was to ensure all players had the same files, not just be running "vanilla/ stock/ out of the box".... CFS2 had a cheat detect entry which could be used by writing it into the .cfg file... sad it was to see a squad member in a "supposedly" stock/ vanilla/ purist zone room on a squad night, with an asterix against their name in the tally room.


Lexx... when it comes to supporting a hack, there is no difference between online and offline as the hack was done to the sim itself

[skarden]

@ Copperhead,first of all i use the mods but I understand and repect your opinion to a certain degree and i definitely repect your right to post it but(ther's always a but)

The argument that the hacks are illegal to me holds absolutly no water unless you can say that you'v honestly NEVER broken the law yourself.

Say as an example,it would be safe to say that most of us here who can drive have on occasion put the ol pedal to the metal as they say and had a bit of fun at speeds that you could definitely say would be classed as illegal.Now speeding kills ppl and ruins families,make no mistake and we've all done it at some stage(hell I even lost my license when i was younger to such stupidity)even you I'm willing to bet(although pls correct me if I'm wrong)which of course would have put lives,even if its just your own in some danger.

So to turn around and use that argument as to why ppl should not use a game mod for a game/simulation that most ppl havnt heard of(their loss! )that harms no-one(really it is no-one) seems a little,well....hypocritical.

I'm not trying to insult you(really I'm not) or get into a sledging match but that just how i see it from my point of view.

thoughts?

~S~

[Furio]

Skarden,
Not answering for Copperhead, but it depends on where you draw the line. Taking for granted that all of us have speeded out of legal some times, it means that we can do anything? Selling drugs? Shooting at wildlife in a park? Killing your wife? I’m not saying that modding a game is like killing, of course, but don’t you think that your example is somewhat ambiguous? My opionion, of course.

[skarden]

Thats a fair call Furio,and to be honest it is a little ambiguous,my bad(I always lost debates at school )It's just that copperhead has said that one of the reasons he says he doesnt want to go the mod path is that it's illegal.

to me it's kinda like saying well this guy(anyone really) has hacked a game illegally and that is just NOT cool or acceptable,yet this other guy(once again anyone) who speeds sometimes and could cause an accident and possibly hurt or kill someone is ok.

To me it's a double standard.

That said I have seen threads both here and UBI that HAVE likened mod users to being all sorts of nasty stuff like crack heads and even pedophiles.

You are right furio and i agree but the line was drawn a while ago and we (mod user's) were very very very(i cant write enough very's here) wrongly pegged on the crack head and pedophile side by some of the anti mod ppl,defintely not all i know,just the loud ones that sometimes give the rest of you a bad name,just like some of the pro modders i guess.

[Furio]

Insults and “ad hominem” attacks should be avoided, period. In this you are right, Skarden. Both sides have indulged in this kind of sport, and this is the main reason for which I don’t take one side AGAINST the other.
Two examples.
Anti modders equate mods with cheats. In my opinion, this is a very weak argument. If my goal is to cheat, I would hack the game, and take advantage in absolute silence. The last thing I want and need is a place like AAA that attracts attention and raises suspicions.
Modders equate Oleg silence with an approval. In my opinion, this is a very weak argument too. Oleg’s silence may be explained differently. For example, he may consider a waste of time and money to sue AAA.
As for the “double standard” you are talking of, I think it comes from the very nature of the web. Being a place in which law enforcement is almost impossible, we all tend to ignore law, and talk of moral categories. In my opinion, this generates a lot of confusion. Your example about speed limits can prove it easily. In my country, if you over speed, you are fined. It’s an administrative offense, not a criminal one. If you break other people IP or copyright it’s another matter. That is a criminal offense, and you risk jail.
Different countries have different laws, and the web seems to have none. This places all of us in a difficult position, and we should make any effort to keep our debate within civil boundaries.

[Spectrum]

I was a latecomer to the IL-2 series, starting with Pacific Fighters. After that I back tracked and bought the earlier parts of the series. That would probably have been it.

--- but along came the mods, and it was that that persuaded me to buy the 1946 DVD, for the ease of installation that came with it. If it had not been for the mods I doubt I would have bothered.

How many other new sales have been generated like this? Or to look at it another way, have any sales been lost because of the mods?