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Old 11-20-2008, 11:34 PM
WTE_Galway WTE_Galway is offline
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You say the swastika is in the russian edition of IL?
Kinda wierd that it is nowhere to be seen in the uk edition then...or is it a config activation?
It is generally not called a swastika the correct term is Hakencruiz and there are literally dozens of utilities out there that enable it. IL2mat and Il2Stab are just two that come to mind. Just go t to Mission 4 Today and search the utilities section.
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:49 PM
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It is generally not called a swastika the correct term is Hakencruiz and there are literally dozens of utilities out there that enable it. IL2mat and Il2Stab are just two that come to mind. Just go t to Mission 4 Today and search the utilities section.
Not generally called a 'swastika'?

I would say it was. After Hitler made the Hakencruiz the public symbol of Nazi Germany, it pretty much branded this particular visual display.

For good reason the German government has banned it. It is a loaded symbol, and Neo-Nazi groups all over the world use it.

Not to say it shouldn't be part of a historical game like IL-2, but in any other context it is highly suspect.

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Old 11-21-2008, 11:45 AM
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Actually i think that the symbol used in WWII was an inverted swastika. I think i read about it in an article that had some supernatural/occult connotations, saying that the original was a positive symbol and they used an inverted one, etc etc.

To be honest though, it's a symbol that has been used by a myriad of civilisations in the past...native Americans, Mayan Indians, i think even ancient Greeks had it at some place right there with their meanders even though it wasn't that widespread.

Germany is a country that has managed to come to grips with the darkest pages of their history so efficiently, accepted its mistakes and tried really hard to repair the material and moral damage it caused in the past with above average results and in a small timeframe. I can't seem to find another country that was so up front about screaming "mea culpa" after less than a century of the deed and it's not just about their government, their people today are educated about the whole thing as well.

Contrast this with all the former colonial powers in Europe, the US and the Soviet Union. Did the Union Jack get banned because Hindus were killed in Ghandi's peaceful rallies by British troops? Did the US insignia get banned for dropping napalm (Vietnam), or cluster bombs (Balkans) on civilians? What about the French insignia for the atrocities in Algeria or the Belgian one due to Congo, or the Soviet one due to Afghanistan?

To me it seems a bit silly to get bogged down on a matter as small as the depiction of a symbol when you have managed to achieve so much. Swastikas in a neo-nazi rally in the streets will offend a lot of people, but maybe the law could cut some slack if the symbol was used for purposes of historical accuracy. I mean, these guys actually admitted their mistakes and educated themselves to prevent something similar in the future, which is more than most of the others have ever done. Banning the swastika from use as a historical reference is like denying the existence of a symbol when you have admitted the existence of far more troublesome things that came behind it, like mass murder. It's a bit like showing the victim's body to the cops and admitting guilt and then hiding the murder weapon

As far as the game is concerned, i don't expect a european version to have it, because anything that contains it is illegal in Germany. That means apart from a Russian version, a US one and a european version they would have to release a separate German version as well. They'll probably choose to save themselves the necessary time for that, since it might also need a different publisher to do it.

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Old 11-21-2008, 01:08 PM
Thunderbolt56 Thunderbolt56 is offline
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If you want it (and you're not using the Russian version), you can do several things to enable it, IL2Stab and IL2 Mat Manager work but I've found them cumbersome to install and use. An easy quick way to enable it is to DL this little proggy: http://www.mission4today.com/index.p...etails&id=3530

run it and let it run in the background. It's not perfect, but it's light, quick and easy.
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Old 11-23-2008, 11:44 AM
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Thanks for the tip Thunderbolt, but I already found, installed and got Aces High's Mat Manager to work just the way I wanted it

I really can't believe I've missed all the different aps that among other things put the swastika where it is supposed to be. I guess I never thought anyone had made one since people still make skins in two or three editions(full markings, swas. only, and no marks).
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