HELP! The (failed) Assault on General Karador's Necro-Castle

[Palinius]

Originally Posted by Antiga

The randomness makes it interesting but can really ruin one's game. Some people have an awesome experience with this, due to getting the good stuff on every corner.. Some people get pure trash.

It is true that sometimes you get better units and and better items , or that is at least what you think. for Example i play on impossible now, in any other game i would say that pirates sux, but i have boots that make pirates +1 move and initiative, Wife Rina +1 move and initiative for pirates. Thats why i choose to use pirates in my game. Due to items i have now i have completly other units than the few times before and thats make the game interesting as im exploring the game and units heavilly depend on even as 1 might think crappy items.
Im at lvl 8 Paladin and i have 9 att 18 def, 4 int. No kids as they sux hard with the randomness (FOR ME) Normally my pirates move 2, with bonuses they go 4 , they got a reload skill that hits 3 targets. On lvl 8 on islands with Overpowering opponent they can save the day.
Everytime more or less the game makes you play random and thats simply wonderfull. But if you really love a certain item, when you start a game with other char or other diff level you can simply start the game many times untill you dont get your dream item in the caste or the church.

Btw Antiga sorry for that crappy comment few msgs up about the "Make a game yourself and we will see" . But such a lovely game and my heart cried when you attacked the game
But someone gave reply even stranger to my reply. As his reply was connected to some things that you cant change. When you go to a docter you need to accpet his opinion or consult with another , ofc you wont go study for a doctor to make a better opinion. But if its a game made for entertaining, and someone states that it really sux, i simply answaer dont play it, or do better game i would like to play it and comment Same like with music, one say that the music sux, no need to listen to it, or make a better song and we will see Or even make a song yourself So tbh my comment wasnt crappy / bulshit but simply wasnt polite enough.

[Antiga]

Yes, I agree. I had 2 thorn crowns which in total gave my thorns 300% damage. These are the things that enable you to try different things each game, as the game pretty much forces you to depending on the items you can find. I had alot of physical resistance items for example. I equipped those over potentially better items so all my troops would have 50% base physical resistance(or something close), dragons would be pretty much immune to anything cept poison.

I would most likely start a new game as a mage, if it weren't for the pure fact that each quest is going to end the same. With the few quests you can do in several ways i've pretty much always tested each way and each time the longer/harder way is the more rewarding one. There'd be no reason to do those different as it would only hurt me.

I'm just patiently waiting in hope a game expanding(not changing.. I do love most of the game's systems) mod will be released which may enhance my experience.

And don't worry about it Palinius, I don't like it when people are 'attacking' a game I love either.

[Kolorabi]

Just thought I'd add my strategy to the list here. I did it with sprites, dryads, demonesses, horsemen and elven archers. My wife was the demon one, so and I placed that sword which gives 30% extra attack against undeads in one of her sword slots. I also used the ring which made the female fighters better.

Basically, on my first attempt, it was the necromancers and all the resurrection of enemy troops that killed me, so this time I decided to kill the necromancers first. The demonesses have a skill that allows them to swap the position of any two units on the arena, which I used to swap the necromancers with some bone dragons which had flown down to my area of the screen.

This ensured that the necromancers were kept busy, and was unable to use any ranged magic. They also died fairly quickly, and like others here, I necro-called them immediately to prevent them from being resurrected by the enemy. Same thing with the black knights - the first time I played they were resurrected to what seemed to be full strength three times, this time I only had to kill them once.

During the fight, I mostly concentrated on destroying the troops. I used the dryads to create plants, and used the reflection spell to get an extra set of sprites (I had over 2000 of them, so the summoned group was quite large).

I also found the ice orb extremely useful. It basically bounced back and forth between the obelisk and enemy units down in my area, dealing extreme amounts of damage (as the rolling-distance was so long). It took out more than half of the obelisk's health that way, and certainly helped thinning out the enemy ranks as well.

[Quellist]

Originally Posted by Palinius

But someone gave reply even stranger to my reply. As his reply was connected to some things that you cant change. When you go to a docter you need to accpet his opinion or consult with another , ofc you wont go study for a doctor to make a better opinion.

I was talking about after the fact when someone is mistreated, to late for second opinions then...

But if its a game made for entertaining, and someone states that it really sux, i simply answaer dont play it, or do better game i would like to play it and comment Same like with music, one say that the music sux, no need to listen to it, or make a better song and we will see Or even make a song yourself So tbh my comment wasnt crappy / bulshit but simply wasnt polite enough.

Still more of the same junk. When you get bad food at the restaurant your answer is to not eat and still accept the cost? Usually you send food back when it's bad. And by your logic you would have to love every game ever made since you are not a gamedev yourself and thus can't criticize any game.
Maybe it is so, but that makes your opinion worthless for discussion since it's always constant.

If you keep telling people to do better themselves I guess we will just have to ignore you because then you have proved that you are a simpleton...

[Xelian]

DId you guys went first to Demonis? Before you attack Karador? I just can't take out this guy... I think i had good stats but i just can't take it I've tryed every combination from elven units but no succsses.

Lvl 25 Mage on Hard
17500 leadership
6 Atack
8 Defence
32 Intelect
50 Rage
106 Mana

[Antiga]

Relax guys. Palinius is entitled to his own oppinion. I never said I didn't like this game, just mentioned some minor flaws. Palinius saw it as an full scale assault on his new favourite game(I assume) and defended the game. I would do the same, and Quellist, you are defending something you believe in as well.
When someone doesn't like something you do, you automaticly start a counter argument. This is only natural, but there's no reason to get personal.

When I buy a game I never expect it to be perfect, discussing the things you like and don't like is normal but you guys start using examples that really don't have anything to do with the current situation and thereby taking the entire conversation out of context.

Meanwhile i've started a new game, am a lvl 16 mage which would EASILY be able to defeat my lvl 22 knight. Doing good now and the randomness is serving me well. It would be too boring without.

Xelian: Loot every single area you can get to. Run around the enemy armies, and pickup everything you can find. I just looted demonis with my lvl 14 mage. He's now lvl 16(without fighting), and gained alot of goodies. Planning on looting elven lands and lands of death next. That'll be lvl 18.. without fighting =)

[Kolorabi]

Originally Posted by Palinius

But if its a game made for entertaining, and someone states that it really sux, i simply answaer dont play it, or do better game i would like to play it and comment Same like with music, one say that the music sux, no need to listen to it, or make a better song and we will see Or even make a song yourself So tbh my comment wasnt crappy / bulshit but simply wasnt polite enough.

Well, sorry, but yes. It's bullshit. No offense intended.

The idea that you aren't entitled criticize something if you're not able make it better yourself is completely wrong. Being able to tell the quality of something is not even remotely the same thing as being able to make it yourself.

So the "make a better game/song/movie yourself, then"-argument is always going to be absolutely useless, no matter how it's phrased.

[Quellist]

Kolorabi says it very well. It's bad argumentation and illogical. That part has nothing to do with personal opinions.

I have no problem with him liking the game, I like it too. The first half was very good, the second half seems unpolished in comparison and a lot of stuff doesn't scale very well. That doesn't make it bad, just not as good as it could have been, I have great hopes for the sequel.

Xelian: I took out Karador as a 25 mage on hard. I had a lot more defense (25+) though. I used Giants, Knights, Cyclopses(?) and large stacks of the two cheapest dwarves and then putting my own units on top of killed stacks to keep them from beeing resurected and using necro recall to resurect them myself.

[hawker]

Karador is probably the hardest fight in the game.

First of all, you need to level up. I think I was close to level 27 and had cleared pretty much everything before I took him on.

Now, in the Russian version 1.5.0 when I last played it (where the mage class was substantially weaker than in newer English versions), I used

Red Dragons (RD)
Green Dragons (GD)
Cyclops (CY)
Elven Pathfinders (PF) (dunno if that's what they're called in English version, you know, those stronger archers)
Archmages (AM)

Using Tactics I positioned my troops at the corner of the starting grid as such

             <>      ------that's the crystal


       |           |
    ___|     RD  GD|___
   |         CY  PF  AM|
   --------------------

Basically, hardcore turtling/weakening of units until the crystal is killed. Crucially, the Red Dragons were at the center and inline with the crystal, so that they could snipe the crystal with their fire stream. Archmage shielded the dragons that took the most damage, Pathfinders shot the crystal. All units are level 4-5, so they won't be hypnotized. Once the crystal is dead, the enemy's mana won't regenerate, so it finally becomes possible to finish his units. Low power Blind, and Target (on your archmage-shielded unit) are useful for keeping the damage of skeleton archers under control.

Holy Light - again, I think that's what the name is in English version - spell is doubly good here: focused on the dragons its AE effect both rejuvenates the friendly "tanks" and damages the attackers.

[Antiga]

I just defeated karador, and it was easier than some of the hero's i've taken down with my level 21 mage. I was suprised myself as well.. I just though i'd stop by the castle and see how large Karador's army would be, not even considering actually fighting.

Used Snakes, Royal Snakes, Demonesses, Dryads and Black Dragons. Anga's ruby for the she-fighters, Frog form wife for +100% attack for the snakes as well as Ring of the Snake King for +3 poison damage and a weapon that gives +50% attack to animals.

Level 21 mage, 12 attack, 18 def, 30 int. 9000~ leadership. 108 mana and 60~ rage. Maxed chaos, distortion, destroyer, higher magic.

6 fire rains in 3 turns and his army was completely gone, Necromancers, bone dragons and archers would die in the first turn before acting. Enemy broke down the barricade and statue, and positioned itself so my black dragons could use their fire skill to hit 6 stacks of enemies. Meanwhile I planted sprouts and did not get hit yet. 2nd turn the ghosts all died due to fire rain and the black knights lost most their men as well. All that remained were some skellies and zombies. I never used necro call, I didn't have to occupy dead stack's slots in order to prevent karador from raising because he was too busy casting fear. Once all enemies were defeated I did occupy the dead stacks and pummeled the crystal with my snakes and fire arrows. Zombies killed a single of my black dragons, I lost about 10 snakes and 20 royal snakes, nothing else.

Edit:
To hawker: The blue-ish ones are called 'Hunters' in the english version. The basic green one's just 'Elves'.