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Old 03-06-2014, 12:48 PM
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So what about the actual game? More power but no consequences?

I understand also that running something like power 100% on 60% prop pitch would also ruin the engine, but is not modelled and not the case in the game... Generally running much greater power than PP would damage real life engines also. Is that true?
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Old 03-06-2014, 07:06 PM
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Hi everyone. Not so an active member here, however an old IL-2 fan. (played with longer pauses for the last couple of years)

I hope it's okay if I post a couple of questions here. (4.12.2)

1) Firstly, what's the deal with the supercharger? When flying the F4U I can see a noticable amount of manifold pressure gained if I toggle to speed 2 immediately at ground level. If more MP = more engine power, are there any side effects in switching to speed 2 right from the start and not at recommended 2000m?


Thanks in advance.
This might help.





Ok for the "aviation engine experts" amongst us please don't watch this film.

For everyone else who is willing to learn something about Super/turbo chargers in WW2 1940 have fun


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Old 03-07-2014, 11:03 AM
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This might help.


Ok for the "aviation engine experts" amongst us please don't watch this film.

For everyone else who is willing to learn something about Super/turbo chargers in WW2 1940 have fun
Thanks for the vids. They were most informative. Speaking as one of the 'aviation experts' whom you were so contemptuous of, I take your point and will offer no advice in the future. Of course I did learn about these things when I was training for my pilot licence. I also knew men who flew some of these aircraft in WWII so might know a few things you will not read about in the history books, but I know you would find these stories upsetting.
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Old 03-07-2014, 04:05 PM
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Nice vids, very interesting. Shows us just how much some of the things are still very simplified in the sim.

Does anyone know about the Bandits radio command though, what's that for?
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Old 03-07-2014, 08:55 PM
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Thanks for the vids. They were most informative. Speaking as one of the 'aviation experts' whom you were so contemptuous of, I take your point and will offer no advice in the future. Of course I did learn about these things when I was training for my pilot licence. I also knew men who flew some of these aircraft in WWII so might know a few things you will not read about in the history books, but I know you would find these stories upsetting.
I was referring to engine experts not just aviation in general, don't be so sensitive its a forum and your opinions are more than welcomed here.

And IL2 has a simplified engine management system as its not a "study sim" or simulator but a game with generic management for most aircraft engine control systems.

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Old 03-25-2014, 01:58 PM
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So what about the actual game? More power but no consequences?
I understand also that running something like power 100% on 60% prop pitch would also ruin the engine, but is not modelled and not the case in the game... Generally running much greater power than PP would damage real life engines also. Is that true?
Think of prop pitch like the transmission in your automobile. If you were to put a stick-shift automobile in high gear, 5th gear of a 5 speed for instance and then drive very slowly at speeds you would usually use 1st gear for, the engine would have a tough time. And if you floored the throttle while running really slow in high gear it would have a high risk of damaging the engine or drive-line parts.

The job of the pressure in an internal combustion engine has the job of pushing the piston down it's bore and spinning the crankshaft. Under normal operating conditions the design engineers expect the pressure to be able to push the piston down it's bore in a certain time and then exit through the exhaust system. If your automobile or aircraft is stuck in a transmission gear or prop pitch that keeps the engine rpm much lower than the designers had in mind then the very hot gases are in the cylinder for much longer and have more time to make the engine hot before they are pushed out and a very cool charge of fresh air and fuel are pulled into the cylinder. It is a delicate balance that engineers figure out for operators of combustion engines in advance, but they can be circumvented by "determined" individuals.

The heat produced by combustion is hot enough to destroy the materials the engine is made of, but it does not because the heat is supposed to be carried away by air or liquid coolant systems. Yes the fresh charge of intake fuel mixture is one of the engine coolants.

On a very hot day you might notice the temperature gauge in an automobile go up while you are sitting at a standstill in traffic and then go down while you are at cruising speed on the highway. Same as an aircraft engine, the cooling systems are designed to work best with air going over them. Going slow with little airflow but at high throttle and high pressure and heat in the engine can overheat the engine.

New computerized engine management systems have knock sensors in the cylinder heads that will automatically alter the mixture and ignition timing if the engine starts to experience pre-ignition or detonation. Before these management systems a lot more was up to the operator.

When the air fuel charge in the engine is ignited by the spark plug the gas in the cylinder increases in volume many times but is held in relatively the same space, you can imagine the pressure increase, it goes from roughly atmospheric, up to hundreds or thousands of pounds! Altering the point at which the ignition lights the fuel charge will alter the pressure in the combustion chamber. Early ignition will burn the fuel charge more completely but will put maximum pressure in the cylinder, if there is too much pressure before the piston reaches top dead center then a power drop and overheating will result, too little ignition advance and un-burned fuel will be pushed out the exhaust and wasted, so again it is a delicate balance with the ignition. Older engines had ignition lead altered by a combination of initial, mechanical and vacuum, currently this is almost all done with computers of course.

Lots to know and learn and it is a hobby unto itself.
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Old 03-25-2014, 08:26 PM
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Nice post Jumo.
Extremely nice.
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