So what new fire and ice content have you seen?

[Mandea]

One question: are the fights more varied or are they the same as WotN? I mean in AP and CW the enemy troops were a mix, a different and interesting mix every time so you had to fight accordingly. But this didn't happen in WotN, you had to fight undeads and then orcs and vikings and so on. are they different here, more like CW?

If they were mixed from the beginning it might get interesting to play the game again.

[Zhuangzi]

Okay, you guys have convinced me. I'll get it

[sethmage]

Hi there
I see the regulars are back.

I for one am in support of later flying access, reminds me more of AP/CW, just finished the starting 4 islands. Getting higher end units on the beginning makes easier start without question.

So far, Book of Evil didn’t find worthy adversary.

[Zhuangzi]

The problem with WoTN early on is that you are stuck on those first islands (similar to AP, I know) but more importantly you are more or less forced to use Viking units and most of the enemy stacks are undead based. The good news is that they've definitely improved the Vikings, especially with the addition of the Mystics who can cause havoc in enemy ranks. I'm playing Impossible Mage and I'm finding it quite easy to defeat Very Hard stacks with a combination of Level 3 Trap, Christa's Gift, Mystic and Soothsayer abilities and finally Berserkers, Vikings and Warrior Maidens to mop up.

That second island, Vestlig, is still quite boring though.

[sethmage]

Quick question, since the gold now is not in the millions; did anybody get to the point of buying fights in the inn? How much are they now?

[camelotcrusade]

I haven't gotten to the fight buying part yet, but I did want to share a new unit: The Contemplator. It's a beholder-type unit that is level 4 and has strange new abilities. It accumulates energy each turn, and when it has enough energy its abilities do extra things. Normally it's an archer with magic damage.

The abilities: First it can shoot a beam of fire that hits everything through a straight line. If he has enough energy, it does 50% more damage and can cause burning. Second, it can cause an energy pulse that does damage out to three squares from his body. If he has enough energy it can also push back and stun weaker and it does 50% more damage. Finally, it can enter a fighting trance to do 50% more damage with its regular attack, but it can't use skills if it does that. If he has max energy when he uses the trance, his shot gains a 60% chance to hypnotize () units it hits for 1 turns (levels 1-4 only).

[Fatt_Shade]

Originally Posted by camelotcrusade

The Contemplator. It's a beholder-type unit that is level 4 and has strange new abilities. It accumulates energy each turn, and when it has enough energy its abilities do extra things. Normally it's an archer with magic damage.

I`m sorry to break bubble about `new` things in this mod, but almost all of it was already done and played in red sands back in 2010 (3,5 years is allot of time in digital world). Devs should be ashamed for using that material and calling this Ice/Fire new DLS for half-assed job WotN from last year. Not impressed by far with it.
The Contemplator = Mistik from Red sands

main {
  class=chesspiece
  model=mistik.bma
  cullcat=0
}
arena_params {
  features_label=cpi_mistik_feat
  features_hints=soars_header/soars_hint,shot_header/shot_hint,mistik_hypnosis_header/mistik_hypnosis_hint,underground_header/underground_hint,mind_immunity_header/mind_immunity_hint,no_melee_header/no_melee_hint,mistik_runic_feature_header/mistik_runic_feature_hint
  race=neutral
  cost=1090
  level=4
  leadership=340
  attack=20
  defense=28
  defenseup=4
  initiative=5
  speed=3
  hitpoint=150
  krit=12
  movetype=1
  hitback=1
  hitbackprotect=0
  //each_turn_script=mistik_each_turn
  attacks=moveattack,ray,impulse,mistik_trance,vektor
  features=shot,mind_immunitet,nonecro,mage,multy_eye,night_vision,special_attacks
  posthitmaster=mistik_posthitmaster
  resistances {
    physical=0
    poison=0
    magic=20
    fire=0
  }
  moveattack {
    group=1,1
    showdmg=1
    nonextifenemy=1
    base_attack=1
    ad_factor=1
    damage {
      physical=6,10
    }
    custom_params {
      sleep=0
      dod=no
      duration=0
      special=0
      holy=150
      level=0
      vamp=1
      dread=200
      halflife=0
      rabid=0
      burn=40
    }
  }
  ray {
    group=1,2
    class=scripted
    ad_factor=1
    showdmg=1
    mindist=1
    base_attack=1
    script_attack=mistik_ray_attack
    script_calccells=calccells_all_enemy_actors_takes_damage
    distance=7
    penalty=.5
    damage {
      magic=6,10
    }
    custom_params {
      sleep=50
      dod=no
      duration=1
      special=1
      level=4
      vamp=0
      halflife=0
      rabid=0
      throw_attack=1
    }
  }
  impulse {
    class=scripted
    hinthead=mistik_impulse_head
    hint=mistik_impulse_hint
    reload=4
    ad_factor=1
    script_attack=mistik_impulse_attack
    script_calccells=
    attack_cursor=
    picture=ba1_mistik_impulse_
    picture_small=ba1_mistik_impulse_small.png
    custom_params {
      level=4
      typedmg=magic
      nomiss=1
      nothorns=1
      dam=8-12
      amp=10
      special=0
      sleep=0
      vamp=0
      halflife=0
      rune=might
      talent=1
      rabid=100
      duration=1
      dist=3
      tars_available=3
      mass_attack=1
	  atk_type=cast
    }
  }
  mistik_trance {
  	class=scripted
  	script_calccells=
    script_attack=special_mistik_battle_trance
    endmove=0
    picture=ba1_mistik_battle_trance_
    picture_small=ba1_mistik_battle_trance_small.png
    reload=4
    hinthead=mistik_trance_head
    hint=mistik_trance_hint
    custom_params {
      duration=2
      power=100 //%
      penalty=50 //%
      type=bonus
      rune=mind
      talent=1
      burn=40
  	}
  }
  vektor {
    class=scripted
    ad_factor=1
    showdmg=1
    script_attack=mistik_vektor_attack
    script_calccells=mistik_vektor_selcells
    script_filter=mistik_vektor_filter
    script_highlight=mistik_vektor_highlight
    picture=ba1_mistik_vektor_
    picture_small=ba1_mistik_vektor_small.png
    hinthead=mistik_vektor_head
    hint=mistik_vektor_hint
    reload=4
    distance=100
    attack_cursor=archer_arrow
    hint_gen_script=mass_attack_hint_gen
    custom_params {
      sleep=0
      dod=no
      duration=2
      power=15
      special=0
      holy=150
      level=0
      vamp=0
      typedmg=astral
      nomiss=0
      nothorns=1
      dam=7-15
      halflife=30
      rune=magic
      talent=1
      rabid=0
      atk_hint=railgun
      tars_available=3
      mass_attack=1
	  atk_type=cast

[BB Shockwave]

Originally Posted by Zhuangzi

The problem with WoTN early on is that you are stuck on those first islands (similar to AP, I know) but more importantly you are more or less forced to use Viking units and most of the enemy stacks are undead based. The good news is that they've definitely improved the Vikings, especially with the addition of the Mystics who can cause havoc in enemy ranks. I'm playing Impossible Mage and I'm finding it quite easy to defeat Very Hard stacks with a combination of Level 3 Trap, Christa's Gift, Mystic and Soothsayer abilities and finally Berserkers, Vikings and Warrior Maidens to mop up.

That second island, Vestlig, is still quite boring though.

And what, Christa's gift actually works this time? For me, it only ever attracted Pirate Ghosts, every other enemy left the gold piles intact.

[camelotcrusade]

Originally Posted by BB Shockwave

And what, Christa's gift actually works this time? For me, it only ever attracted Pirate Ghosts, every other enemy left the gold piles intact.

Ha, Christa's gift it has worked for me every time, including that strange occurrence where occasionally it nabs a level 3 even though it says it won't.

Also, I don't know if it did this before, but now it will put "Greed's Curse" as a debuff on the mob that is likely to pick it up.

[Zhuangzi]

Originally Posted by BB Shockwave

And what, Christa's gift actually works this time? For me, it only ever attracted Pirate Ghosts, every other enemy left the gold piles intact.

Christa's Gift is working fine and it is very useful.