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Old 10-03-2013, 11:21 PM
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Am I reading that some of the cockpit instruments are inaccurate? Meaning even if you see your turn and bank ball centered, your plane is actually skidding?
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Old 10-05-2013, 02:29 AM
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Am I reading that some of the cockpit instruments are inaccurate? Meaning even if you see your turn and bank ball centered, your plane is actually skidding?
Exactly, and in some selected cases, much more so than others. Give yourself permission to switch from 'Cockpit Only' to the various flavors of Wonder Woman view, and compare where the in-cockpit 'ball' is to where the vector ball in Wonder Woman is located (the vector ball is supposed to be the correct data). In several aircraft, the in cockpit ball needs to be slightly offset to actually be 'right', in others, the in-cockpit ball (or needle, in the case of the RAF birds) is a bit slow to respond or tends to over-react to minor stick or rudder inputs and takes a while to settle down...

There are other aircraft where these and other instruments, notably the climb and dive indicators, are right on the money without obvious delays (examples: Zero, Ki-43, Ki-61), and others where there is a clear delay or consistent error (example: any USN fighter), even compared to the in cockpit altitude display. There is often some offset, obscuring or ambiguity in the dial or indicator lines. The original stated intent was to depict the 'historical' behaviors and errors in the aircrafts' cockpit instruments, but it is very much a matter of interpretation and frankly, prejudice.

When all the player has to 'fly' with is the output of his cockpit instruments and a few audio and a maximum 105 degree wide field of view, it doesn't seem right to me that the instruments' outputs should be subject to a third party's 'interpretation'...

There is also the matter of some cockpit displays being made unnecessarily difficult to read in Wide or (in some cases) Normal views, even using an HD quality widescreen over 24" diagonally. There are some cockpits where the instruments are out of focus or hard to read at all but the Gunsight View setting.

Part of this is probably due to the fact that when the game was originally designed, the vast majority of us were playing with CRT monitors of 17" or less, so sharper detail would have been wasted, but it's getting a little harder to take every year, and we obviously have the means to fix it, at least in part. Several cockpits have been the subject of repaints recently, and I don't see any reason to continue tailoring instrument outputs to be more or less imprecise according to someone else's opinion (all aircraft instruments are equal, but some are more equal than others, apparently), when the true data is tracked relentlessly by the game--the instruments should be made to be accurate and depict your true state of trim, turn, climb, altitude and horizon, at least until we can get the seat of the pants and inner ear data input into our brainstem plugs (preferably via USB adapters).

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Old 10-05-2013, 06:21 AM
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Still got malware only in this thread,

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last time it was 2.gif

Devicelink has access to only 1 set of instruments that is supposed to be for simulating the real instruments in flight which did lag by known measured amounts. There is also some things not linked right yet and work bad or not at all, Those are not part of the simulation.

Get UDPSpeed, run SP and display a few guages then every so often pause the game with the view on the instruments being graphed. If you've got multi-core then maybe a space core will take it up, I've run it with 46 on single core 2.5Gz AMD's and not gotten low FPS. You could have had guages in the screen corners all this time except maybe some online.
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Old 10-05-2013, 07:47 AM
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the in cockpit ball needs to be slightly offset to actually be 'right'
Yep, in Yaks where you have to apply a lot of rudder and aileron trim to make the plane fly straight (according to the compass), the ball is considerably offset to the right. In the Italian MC.20X series the ball is slightly off-centered to the right even with neutral trim and flying straight and level. I wonder whether it's realistic.

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Old 11-07-2013, 06:21 PM
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So quiet these few days in the forum. So time to beat an old dead horse lol. Is there any way that DT can correct these instrumental inaccuracies in the next patch. I understand all the talks about realism or relative advantage etc. Why can't we just correct ALL the inaccuracies on ALL planes, so that everybody is on an equal footing.

Also in terms of light stick force on P-51, would changes ingame stick reponse curves help with this issue? Or is it more inherent modeling issue and CoG related that it can't be addressed by simply altering response curves?
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Old 11-07-2013, 08:15 PM
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Why can't we
We? I had no idea that you're on Daidalos. Good job!

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Also in terms of light stick force on P-51, would changes ingame stick reponse curves help with this issue? Or is it more inherent modeling issue and CoG related that it can't be addressed by simply altering response curves?
Was already addressed in this thread. It's not a problem.
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Old 11-07-2013, 10:12 PM
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Why can't we just correct ALL the inaccuracies on ALL planes, so that everybody is on an equal footing.
It would be a lot of work, I guess, and it wouldn't address the problem that some instruments are hardly legible anyway. I would vote for a quicker solution, an optional extension of the speed bar with flight data available to the pilot of that particular plane type in that particular cockpit. Could be something like an in-game UDPSpeed. Just a wishful idea, don't shoot me...
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Old 11-07-2013, 10:16 PM
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It would be a lot of work, I guess, and it wouldn't address the problem that some instruments are hardly legible anyway. I would vote for a quicker solution, an optional extension of the speed bar with flight data available to the pilot of that particular plane type in that particular cockpit. Could be something like an in-game UDPSpeed. Just a wishful idea, don't shoot me...
That'll work, too. As long as it's accurate.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:52 AM
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That'll work, too. As long as it's accurate.
What I suggest is a new (easier) difficulty setting with direct access to the flight data the game engine uses for computations. So far it would/could be accurate, and 'everybody [in every plane] could be on an equal footing' in this respect.
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:15 PM
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Exactly, and in some selected cases, much more so than others. Give yourself permission to switch from 'Cockpit Only' to the various flavors of Wonder Woman view, and compare where the in-cockpit 'ball' is to where the vector ball in Wonder Woman is located (the vector ball is supposed to be the correct data).
Where in the wonder woman view can I see the vector ball? I just see TAS, Alt etc.
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