Dogfighting -does 4.11-4.12 patch address this?

[Notorious M.i.G.]

Originally Posted by X-Raptor

ok then all this aces m8 who state to be SO brave:

gaunt1, Derda508, IceFire, please post here a track 8vs8 spit/me109 average level whatever year and then show how brave you are. Is simple to say just theoretical WORDS about how to be an ace-player like you all are arguing to be.
I'm waiting..

Originally Posted by X-Raptor

tell me how many SECONDS you survive (....) sun or not sun help.. clouds or not clouds help....altitude advantage help.... energy management strategy.... speed management ... m8, you can argue and try whatever tactic you want but the sad and frustrate result is always the same: you not survive more than about 30-60 sec after engaging the dogfight. this is not possible. .. and isn't historic... is this a SIMULATOR?

Just did a few 8v8 runs against Spit F.Vbs in both the 109F-2 and G-2, 5000m alt. Challenging, yes. BS? Not hugely. I even got fired on quite a few times but made it through with minor battle damage on the G-2 and barely scratched the F-2's paintwork (until I got target fixation and stupidly collided with the second-to-last Spit )

AI Spits tend to do some odd things like insanely fast barrel rolls, but I've seen far crazier stuff from human players. The seeming inability of the AI to blackout is what irks me most. Veteran and Ace AI do perform some dubious deflection shots at points where I'm pretty sure they shouldn't be able to see you from the cockpit, let alone accurately track you, but that's just my experience and not solid fact.

Friendly AI does need a lot more babysitting command-wise, because the enemy flight leads are instantaneously dishing out orders that you have to take time (and remember) to do. That's where I think people fall into the trap of thinking friendly AI is useless - the AI-led ones are being given orders that you're not thinking to do.

I'd gladly upload a couple of tracks of the fights, but it seems the forum doesn't like me uploading attachments and I can't be arsed recording them and putting them on YouTube. If you whinge enough and I'm bored enough I might

Originally Posted by gaunt1

Dont even think about a turnfight even with a bomber in a P-47! It is absolutely the worst turning fighter plane of the game, even the Fw-190 is able to outturn it easily.

I don't know about that, the LaGG-3RD is pretty awful at doing anything other than burning...then again, beating the jetLaGG at anything is like an adult beating a 4 year old in a running race

[majorfailure]

Originally Posted by Notorious M.i.G.

Just did a few 8v8 runs against Spit F.Vbs in both the 109F-2 and G-2, 5000m alt. Challenging, yes. BS? Not hugely. I even got fired on quite a few times but made it through with minor battle damage on the G-2 and barely scratched the F-2's paintwork (until I got target fixation and stupidly collided with the second-to-last Spit )

Just as a sidenote: In a G-2 (depending on Spit variant also in a F-2), this is challenging, but you always have one advantage-speed. Allows for getting away with small errors, though blundering will be punished.

Originally Posted by Notorious M.i.G.

Veteran and Ace AI do perform some dubious deflection shots at points where I'm pretty sure they shouldn't be able to see you from the cockpit, let alone accurately track you, but that's just my experience and not solid fact.

Depending on what shots exactly, humans do that too -or have you never shot at an enemy below your line of sight that you expected to be in your crosshairs a moment later?
Split S and some degree of roll to change direction surprises normal and rookies at least sometimes (And the AI does that against you, too!).

Originally Posted by Notorious M.i.G.

Friendly AI does need a lot more babysitting command-wise, because the enemy flight leads are instantaneously dishing out orders that you have to take time (and remember) to do. That's where I think people fall into the trap of thinking friendly AI is useless - the AI-led ones are being given orders that you're not thinking to do.

Do you know what exactly the AI leaders do command? At least when flying wing to an AI leader they don't tell my much -and little useful. And even if it were so, still is a handicap to the player that has to fly, shoot, and at the same time type out the commands to his flight. And some things are rather odd, my wingman should protect me - and though I often find him trailing the enemy behind me and slowly catching up -and then overtake the enemy to stay in formation with me - and if I command him attack or cover me he is gone not to be seen ever again...(Though I think that since 4.11 I had a few times where my wingman actually did some kind of drag&bag maneuvre together with me)

Originally Posted by Notorious M.i.G.

I don't know about that, the LaGG-3RD is pretty awful at doing anything other than burning...then again, beating the jetLaGG at anything is like an adult beating a 4 year old in a running race

This abomination is a serious contender for Most Useless.