4.12.2 de-bugging

[FC99]

Originally Posted by Juri_JS

The new evasive maneuvers of heavy bombers when attacked by fighters are a little overdone. I've seen B-24s doing rolls, not really a good idea in a four-engined bomber.

There is no new evasive maneuvers for bombers.

[Juri_JS]

Originally Posted by FC99

There is no new evasive maneuvers for bombers.

Maybe I am wrong, but I can't remember seeing these strange maneuvers in 4.11.


EDIT - I just tested the heavy bomber behaviour in 4.11.1 and noticed the same problems, so it is an old issue. Nonetheless I think TD should try to fix these unrealistic maneuvers. A number of times I have seen collisions between bombers because of this behaviour.

[Vendigo]

While trying out the new “taxiing” feature I have come up with an annoying bug which can be seen even in the demo mission “AI Taxiing” made by DT and included to 4.12.
In that mission you just roll out of the hangar and taxi all the way along the yellow line to the intended take off position where you take off, retract flaps and gear and then turn the autopilot on – and the autopilot will ignore the flight waypoints, it always flies back to the field where it starts flying in circles at almost zero altitude as the player’s aircraft appears still attached to taxi waypoints.
I would appreciate any comments about such AI behavior, thank you!

[FC99]

Originally Posted by Vendigo

While trying out the new “taxiing” feature I have come up with an annoying bug

In that mission you just roll out of the hangar and taxi all the way along the yellow line to the intended take off position where you take off, retract flaps and gear and then turn the autopilot on – and the autopilot will ignore the flight waypoints, it always flies back to the field where it starts flying in circles at almost zero altitude as the player’s aircraft appears still attached to taxi waypoints.

We will do something about it in next patch.

Originally Posted by II/JG54_Emil

Looks like all ask subs with the ending _surf(see mission file) can't launch torpedos.
Shuka and TypII are launching torpedoes.
All others dont.

It is not as simple as I hoped, this will require some changes in 3d model but chances are that we will enable torpedoes for surfaced submarines too in next patch.

Originally Posted by Monty_Thrud

Main bug for me so far is the take off bug...

In a mission i built on the Burma map at Imphal airfield, 3 flights of 4 Blenheims in Line take off formation, bombing supply dumps, of the 12 A/C between 2 to 4 A/C crash just after take off, engine speed drops whilst climbing and plummets into the ground, sometimes they recover, most times they don't. I've tried different skill levels of the pilots from average to veteran, no difference.

Post the mission, please.

Originally Posted by JG27_PapaFly

There are two things I don't like about it:

1) The impact explosion puffs when hitting other planes with 20mm/30mm guns (only tested with MG151, MG/FF and MK10 are gone. Now one hardly notices the impacts. Guncam footage from the era shows very visible explosions/flashes. Impact explosions were perfectly fine in 4.11 and previous versions.

2) The FW190 D9 models now overrev even more easily than in 4.11 while on AUTO pitch. This leads to a dead engine without warning. Don't you guys think it's BS to have the one plane overrev that had automatic prop pitch control inbuilt from the very beginning, while one can dive essentially any other plane in game at full throttle and 100% prop pitch without killing the engine? Please have a look at that.

1-Explosion puffs are still there as far as I can see but they are less visible than before.
2. AFAIK nothing has changed and automatic control doesn't equal foolproof control.

Originally Posted by Tolwyn

I'm not a fan of the padlock automatically sending AI. I think the Bandits command is enough. Sometimes I want to padlock something WITHOUT my flight immediately engaging.
Can this duplication be removed?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Tolwyn

I'm coop testing. And something is really messed up with this patch and COOP gameplay.

Including waypoint re-writing, escort stuff, AI Bomber engine start/taxiing, etc.
This is goofed up a bit!

Here's the COOP mission (server should take the BIS, otherwise, just server take #2 and your buddy take #1 of the russian bombers). Humans take 1 and 2 russian bomber. Have AI as #3. YOU GUYS try to get #3 to start its engine. Good luck with that.

From 411 Readme:

Stationary plane spawning

This features enables the usage of stationary planes as human player spawn points in all mission types. AI planes are supported only in single player mission, but the positioning of AI planes is critical since they do not know how to taxi to runway. They will just simply take off to the direction they spawn. Feature always requires additional editing of old missions, so it is not automatically enabled to old missions.

I don't think that is changed in 4.12 so if you want to have mixed flight than you can't use spawning from stationary plane. In your mission you don't really need spawning from stationary planes. You can set flight to start taxiing from the parking space and set spacing parameter in FMB. You will get planes spawned in line to the left or right of the leader (-spacing=left).

[Novice]

There is one problem with the patch 4.12 and 4.12.1. I don't know, wrote about it or not, but when I fly online and kill the player sitting in the bomber for the gunner, murdered player just goes in-game menu (via the menu item "new trial"), but kill is not counted.
It's a bug, and some players are actively using it.

[Juri_JS]

Some time ago I had reported that AI A6M carrying Type3 air-to-air rockets will not attack enemy planes. My further tests have shown that the same issue affects FW-190 and Bf-109 armed with Wfr. Gr. 21 rockets and aircraft equipped with X-4 rockets.

[76.IAP-Blackbird]

@ TD please check the rudder from the Float Zero, if you move the rudder, left right you can see a object sticking straight out of the vertail, maybe a non animated part of the damage model. It`s green and looks like a stinger.

[Tolwyn]

Originally Posted by FC99

From 411 Readme:

I don't think that is changed in 4.12 so if you want to have mixed flight than you can't use spawning from stationary plane. In your mission you don't really need spawning from stationary planes. You can set flight to start taxiing from the parking space and set spacing parameter in FMB. You will get planes spawned in line to the left or right of the leader (-spacing=left).

You need to use spawning from stationary aircraft, even in coop mode so the planes don't spawn into a building, etc. I'm not sure I'm following you on this one.

Taxi to take off doesn't work in COOP?
Or doesn't work for AI in COOP?

I'm confused by the wording in the readme, then. I'll create some test missions in both modes and test.

But what about the waypoint icons in my screenshot above? Why did that happen? The I16s followed us bombers for a long while, but then would not or could not engage them (they were supposed to be escorting us).

I'm just asking to make sure to have someone test the new features in cooperative mode as well. Something seems off.

[FC99]

Originally Posted by Juri_JS

Some time ago I had reported that AI A6M carrying Type3 air-to-air rockets will not attack enemy planes. My further tests have shown that the same issue affects FW-190 and Bf-109 armed with Wfr. Gr. 21 rockets and aircraft equipped with X-4 rockets.

This is old thing, I'll see what can be done.

Originally Posted by Tolwyn

You need to use spawning from stationary aircraft, even in coop mode so the planes don't spawn into a building, etc. I'm not sure I'm following you on this one.

Taxi to take off doesn't work in COOP?
Or doesn't work for AI in COOP?

I'm confused by the wording in the readme, then. I'll create some test missions in both modes and test.

But what about the waypoint icons in my screenshot above? Why did that happen? The I16s followed us bombers for a long while, but then would not or could not engage them (they were supposed to be escorting us).

I'm just asking to make sure to have someone test the new features in cooperative mode as well. Something seems off.

Spawning from stationary planes doesn't work in Coop for mixed(Humans and AI) flights. If you change your mission and make bombers flight AI only they will behave as expected.

For mixed flights you can use Taxi To Takeoff but not from stationary planes, I edited your mission and made original bombers flight as AI only and added second bombers flight with TTTO, in waypoint options I selected negative spacing to have them lined up on left side of the leader. If you pick the plane from this flight AI will work fine.

I can't say with 100% certainty but the escort problems seems to be related to spawning from stationary planes with mixed flight, that seems to be the root of all problems in your mission.

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[Tolwyn]

OH! Negative spacing. Ok. I don't remember seeing that in the readme. Thank you.