4.12 development update discussion and feedback

[nic727]

What??? It's released? Where?

ARRRGGGGG!!!!!

lol.

Will it be available toomorow?

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by nic727

What??? It's released? Where?

ARRRGGGGG!!!!!

lol.

Will it be available toomorow?

No it's not released. Work continues. These are some screen shots from a couple of the RC's that I spent some time taking for your enjoyment.

[CWMV]

Ah so the landing gear damage mod has been incorporated in some form eh?

[Spinnetti]

Originally Posted by CWMV

Ah so the landing gear damage mod has been incorporated in some form eh?

looks great! - I know I've irritated people on the mod sites with this, but the FW had an all electric landing gear (one of, if not the first) - unless the motor got hit it wouldn't flop open like hydro systems do with pressure loss... few seem to want to model this correctly

[CWMV]

Originally Posted by Spinnetti

looks great! - I know I've irritated people on the mod sites with this, but the FW had an all electric landing gear (one of, if not the first) - unless the motor got hit it wouldn't flop open like hydro systems do with pressure loss... few seem to want to model this correctly

At same mod site, and in same mod thread, I posted this video of an Anton getting shot up, and showing the gear dropping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCdWYttR7s8

I don't recall you responding there but please, just stop.

[Spinnetti]

Originally Posted by CWMV

At same mod site, and in same mod thread, I posted this video of an Anton getting shot up, and showing the gear dropping.

I don't recall you responding there but please, just stop.

So you've taken it upon yourself to curate the internet now? I have owned a replica FW190, and studied the systems extensively. My particular interest is in landing gear design and I make working (flyable) miniature replica gear also. I have a good working understanding of both electrical and hydraulic systems, text books on gear design etc, and your comments mean nothing to me, nor does your video prove any poorly reasoned explanation you may have. If the FW system to a catastrophic hit in the gear retract motor it would drop like a rock, not motor down. Your video proves nothing other than that that gear was lowering under power. The system uses a highly geared motor that will not drop down with or without the gear uplock being functional. At worst it would just sag an inch or so taking up any gear lash in the mechanism. This is quite unlike virtually any other WWII aircraft, and it would be neat to see it modeled in accordance to the actual function. You are welcome to disagree, but it doesn't make your comments valid, nor does it invalidate my desire to see this unique function modeled.

[CWMV]

Originally Posted by Spinnetti

So you've taken it upon yourself to curate the internet now? I have owned a replica FW190, and studied the systems extensively. My particular interest is in landing gear design and I make working (flyable) miniature replica gear also. I have a good working understanding of both electrical and hydraulic systems, text books on gear design etc, and your comments mean nothing to me, nor does your video prove any poorly reasoned explanation you may have. If the FW system to a catastrophic hit in the gear retract motor it would drop like a rock, not motor down. Your video proves nothing other than that that gear was lowering under power. The system uses a highly geared motor that will not drop down with or without the gear uplock being functional. At worst it would just sag an inch or so taking up any gear lash in the mechanism. This is quite unlike virtually any other WWII aircraft, and it would be neat to see it modeled in accordance to the actual function. You are welcome to disagree, but it doesn't make your comments valid, nor does it invalidate my desire to see this unique function modeled.

Ah now I remember, yes you said this over at SAS too.
Great that you owned a replica 190, kudos.
But it was a replica, and you never had a thunderbolt raining .50 into you trying to kill you.
You know the old saying a picture is worth a thousand words. So get to typing or better get some video evidence supporting your claim.

See my favorite part of the video is where the 190 starts getting shot, and then the gear starts to drop miraculously. Amazing coincidence.

But ya he's probably surrendering, cause it's 1916 in the video.

[majorfailure]

Originally Posted by CWMV

At same mod site, and in same mod thread, I posted this video of an Anton getting shot up, and showing the gear dropping.
I don't recall you responding there but please, just stop.

I don't think the gear drops due to damage - I think the Fw190 pilot is on a landing approach. Would explain the lack of reaction to beeing fired upon.

And on the ground in the distance, ther are some white specs that COULD be parked planes. They could be anything else that is light coloured and of roughly 10-50m size though (BIG white elephants)...

And the speeds the planes have seem to be slow, based on the wobbling both planes do.
And if the video speed is realtime, then they seem to travel slow, but without knowing for sure and by "eyeball measure" that's rather guesswork.

[SaQSoN]

In most designs the landing gear is held in a terminal position (be it up or down) by a mechanical lock, not by an actuator, no matter is it electrical, hydraulic, or pneumatic. The actuating system at the terminal positions of the gear is usually in power off state to save on-board power and not to overstress the system.

So, by damaging the upper lock it is possible to drop down the gear, which is modeled in the recent update.

[Treetop64]

Originally Posted by Spinnetti

looks great! - I know I've irritated people on the mod sites with this, but the FW had an all electric landing gear (one of, if not the first) - unless the motor got hit it wouldn't flop open like hydro systems do with pressure loss... few seem to want to model this correctly

Not only damage to the motors, but damage to the uplocks and any of the joints could cause them to drop as well. Just because the gear actuation was electric doesn't mean they were impervious to damage. Electrical systems are beneficial because they save weight and complexity, not because they are indestructible.