New Mod Heroes of Might and Magic 3 Babies!

[Nevar]

This mod is amazing. I've played the game for yet another 40 hours ever since I installed the mod. Absolutely brilliant.

I do seem to have run into an issue, though. I married Orcerlyn for her weapon slots (she has two of them), and everything was going fine for a while. I'm a mage but my archer army now does about as much damage as my spells. Nothing beats the Rage Spirits, though. I love what you did with them. Ice Orb is crazy now.

Unfortunately, I seem to have run into an issue. After my next fight, Orcelyn will ask my character to get her pregnant, and while I've seen how awesome the new kids are in this mod (Rina had 4 children before she was divorced), I'd rather not get kids since I don't actually use orcs.

The thing, though, is that I can't seem to say no to Orcelyn. The only dialogue options aren't actually dialogue. They seemed liked placeholders. And whichever I choose, she gets pregnant, with the first option making her expect it in 10 battles and the second in 5 battles.

Any help would be appreciated. I'd rather not wait until Xeona to get 2 weapon slots. Thank you!

[Sir Whiskers]

Originally Posted by Nevar

Unfortunately, I seem to have run into an issue. After my next fight, Orcelyn will ask my character to get her pregnant, and while I've seen how awesome the new kids are in this mod (Rina had 4 children before she was divorced), I'd rather not get kids since I don't actually use orcs.

The thing, though, is that I can't seem to say no to Orcelyn. The only dialogue options aren't actually dialogue. They seemed liked placeholders. And whichever I choose, she gets pregnant, with the first option making her expect it in 10 battles and the second in 5 battles.

Any help would be appreciated. I'd rather not wait until Xeona to get 2 weapon slots. Thank you!

Try talking to her prior to your next fight, and selecting the last option - something like "No, I don't need anything". My understanding is that you have to talk to your wife every so often (every 10-15 battles?), or she'll start nagging you about having kids. This should reset that counter, so she doesn't ask you to get her pregnant.

I know this works to keep Feona from turning into a frog, but I believe it also keeps her from asking about kids, which is why I think it will work with Orcelyn. Hope this helps.

And yes, this is an outstanding mod.

[Nevar]

Originally Posted by Sir Whiskers

Try talking to her prior to your next fight, and selecting the last option - something like "No, I don't need anything". My understanding is that you have to talk to your wife every so often (every 10-15 battles?), or she'll start nagging you about having kids. This should reset that counter, so she doesn't ask you to get her pregnant.

I know this works to keep Feona from turning into a frog, but I believe it also keeps her from asking about kids, which is why I think it will work with Orcelyn. Hope this helps.

And yes, this is an outstanding mod.

Thank you. I will try this. I actually ditched her for the River Fairy. I have been dominating Demonis with an army of fairies.

[MattCaspermeyer]

Originally Posted by Nevar

This mod is amazing. I've played the game for yet another 40 hours ever since I installed the mod. Absolutely brilliant.

Thanks! It has been a lot of hard work!

Originally Posted by Nevar

I do seem to have run into an issue, though. I married Orcerlyn for her weapon slots (she has two of them), and everything was going fine for a while. I'm a mage but my archer army now does about as much damage as my spells. Nothing beats the Rage Spirits, though. I love what you did with them. Ice Orb is crazy now.

Ice Orb is awesome now, until you start fighting lots of armies with fire damage - so look out in Demonis and when fighting dragons!

Originally Posted by Nevar

Unfortunately, I seem to have run into an issue. After my next fight, Orcelyn will ask my character to get her pregnant, and while I've seen how awesome the new kids are in this mod (Rina had 4 children before she was divorced), I'd rather not get kids since I don't actually use orcs.

Don't forget that Orcelyn has plenty of children that apply bonuses to units other than just Orcs: Crag Hack, Kilgor, Erdamon, Dessa, Gundula, Saurug, Zubin, Aikin, Drakon, Merist, Rosic, Tiva, and Young Yog = 13. Her Orc bonus babies are: Gretchen, Gurnisson, Jabarkas, Krellion, Tyraxor, Vey, and Boragus = 7. So more than half her children (13 out of 20) don't provide direct Orc bonuses.

It's pretty much like this for all the wives - they have children with bonuses to the units of the wife's race and then other children with more generic bonuses in case you don't want to use units of the wife's race. Of course it is all random, but on average you have 1-2 (really 1.5 or so) babies with bonuses to units of the wife's race and 2-3 (really 2.5 or so) babies with bonuses to all units. Some wives are a little more biased than the others as it depends on the number of units there are in a race.

For example with Gerda, there are only 5 Dwarven units and I lumped Miners and Dwarves together and Alchemists and Cannoneers together plus 1 Giant bonus child for 3 babies with Dwarven unit bonuses, plus 1 more with an all Dwarf unit bonus for a total of 4 out 19 kids (so only ~1/5) with Dwarf only unit bonuses.

On the other hand with Rina / Zombie Rina there are 14 Undead units and 8 kids with Undead unit bonuses out of 19 kids (so almost half).

Originally Posted by Nevar

The thing, though, is that I can't seem to say no to Orcelyn. The only dialogue options aren't actually dialogue. They seemed liked placeholders. And whichever I choose, she gets pregnant, with the first option making her expect it in 10 battles and the second in 5 battles.

Yah I probably need to work on her dialogue a bit more. I forget which wife I patterned Orcelyn after, but like Sir Whiskers says they all pester you after a certain period of time to have kids. There should be a "no" path in the dialog that allows you to keep deferring the decision to have kids, but I'll double check it...

Originally Posted by Nevar

Any help would be appreciated. I'd rather not wait until Xeona to get 2 weapon slots. Thank you!

I think you'll love finishing the game up with Xeona and demons! She is my favorite wife and I love playing the demon units!

Thanks again to you and Sir Whiskers for your kind words about my mod!

Matt

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[Nevar]

Afraid I'll have to confirm the "you can't say no" bug for both Diana and Orcelyn. In the part of the dialogue where you would normally say yes or no, the first option will always act like you said yes normally, with the kiss your wife dialogue at the end and making your wife expect a child in ten turns.

The second option closes the dialogue but makes her expect it in FIVE turns O_O

Express pregnancy.

I suppose I could just try reloading until she gets a child I like. (Does that even work? I'd assume what kind of child you'll get first is set in stone, like how reloading and using spider eggs will always give you the same spiders).

Also, talking to her before the battle doesn't seem to reset anything. Nice try, though.

[MattCaspermeyer]

Originally Posted by Nevar

Afraid I'll have to confirm the "you can't say no" bug for both Diana and Orcelyn. In the part of the dialogue where you would normally say yes or no, the first option will always act like you said yes normally, with the kiss your wife dialogue at the end and making your wife expect a child in ten turns.

The second option closes the dialogue but makes her expect it in FIVE turns O_O

Express pregnancy.

Wow, okay I'll have to fix this - thanks for reporting it!

***EDIT***

Hmmm... I can't repeat this problem - are you using V2013-05-18?

Dialogue for Orcelyn goes like this:

You're such a handsome man! What would like to discuss?

1. Have you ever thought about being a mother?
2. I'm sorry but I think it is time for us to split up.
3. Oh, nothing... nevermind...

Select choice 3 - exit, look at Orcelyn and it shows that she's not having any kids after x victories.

Select choice 1:

Yes, but I never thought that it would come so soon! I admit, I'm a bit scared, but I trust you my love.

1. Don't worry, I think you'll make a great mother!
2. You know, I'm a bit scared as well - let's wait...

Select choice 2: exit conversation look at Orcelyn's picture and it shows that she's not having any kids after x victories.

Select choice 1:

Okay, now what do we do again?

1. Oh don't worry, it starts like this... (Kiss your wife.)

You have to select choice 1 at this point and then the message box now says to await miracle. If you check Orcelyn's picture it shows that she'll have a kid after 10 victories.

So this is how it is supposed to work. Does it have a child anyway if you select the no option above and just not show it on Orcelyn's picture info? I haven't checked that out...

I tried the same thing with Diana and I don't see any problems there, either.

Hmmm... not sure what the problem is here, but it seems to work okay as far as I can tell. The only thing I can suggest is to ensure that you have the latest version...

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Originally Posted by Nevar

I suppose I could just try reloading until she gets a child I like. (Does that even work? I'd assume what kind of child you'll get first is set in stone, like how reloading and using spider eggs will always give you the same spiders).

Also, talking to her before the battle doesn't seem to reset anything. Nice try, though.

Children are set in stone from game start. So you can't change who you're going to get (well unless you just don't marry that wife). So that is the random part of it, otherwise, everyone would just reload until they got the best kids.

Matt

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[Nevar]

I double checked. I do have that version.

Thanks for working so hard. I think there was a misunderstanding about when the bug happens. It doesn't happen when you talk to either of them manually to have a baby. It occurs during the event after a battle where they ask if you want to have one (without you initiating the conversation).

Reason I started talking about talking to her manually was because Sir Whiskers suggested that might reset the count before she asks me for a baby again. Doesn't work, unfortunately.

I imagine that makes it a little harder to reproduce.

Cheers and thank you.

[Fatt_Shade]

@Nevar

If you want to test this mod, and see all it have to offer (and dont mind little cheating) check my posts 223 and 225 in this tread. It`s about getting kids you want for specific wife.

As for regular play, NO cheating at all, every kid is already decided on start of game for each wife, same as items/units in shops, enemy units wandering around etc, with every new game all this is determined before you go out of training area. So if you marry some wife, game already knows your kids, only wait for you to kiss her and 10 battles later there it is, your little bundle of joy

[MattCaspermeyer]

Originally Posted by Nevar

I double checked. I do have that version.

Thanks for working so hard. I think there was a misunderstanding about when the bug happens. It doesn't happen when you talk to either of them manually to have a baby. It occurs during the event after a battle where they ask if you want to have one (without you initiating the conversation).

Reason I started talking about talking to her manually was because Sir Whiskers suggested that might reset the count before she asks me for a baby again. Doesn't work, unfortunately.

I imagine that makes it a little harder to reproduce.

Cheers and thank you.

Oh - okay, so it is the conversation that they start. I have not checked this so I'll look into it - thanks!

***EDIT***

Okay, I found the problem! Thanks a million for pointing this out! I'll provide an update shortly...

***END EDIT***

Matt

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[Nevar]

That's great news. I look forward to it. Do you think I would have to start a new game for the fix you're making to take effect?

Thanks again.