Hey TD is this doable?

[IceFire]

I don't think we should get too far off the beaten trail necessarily (if resources were vast/infinite I'd think differently ) but again I think the idea is at least a fun idea worth entertaining. But if it were to be done it should be done with some degree of realism. Proper sighting systems, any reloading that might be required, etc.

[RPS69]

Originally Posted by IceFire

I don't think we should get too far off the beaten trail necessarily (if resources were vast/infinite I'd think differently ) but again I think the idea is at least a fun idea worth entertaining. But if it were to be done it should be done with some degree of realism. Proper sighting systems, any reloading that might be required, etc.

Agreed on that, but with some agreement on sandbags bulletproof capacity from scratch! I mean, whatever the implementation, it is as is!

[Tuphlandng]

There was a hyper lobby player that would Host a gunners target practice Mission
Not sure what plane he used But I hear it was a Gas to play
I think a Manable ground to Air Gunners position would be excellent for training if for Nothing else
Sometimes I need a brake from flying and Dont want to close out the game I could Man a gun and Just cover beat up planes as they Land
I think that could be a lot of fun

[darktatka]

I personally think that man-able AAA's are griefing goldmine.

[majorfailure]

I see three issues there:
Range - even FlaK as small as 20mm has a max range of 2km, given no further visual aids that is a very small target to fire at. Could maybe be fixed with a scope sight like that of the SBD.
Balancing - make it too easy to get kills (like human bomber gunners) and there will be an outcry of those who prefer to fly. Make it to difficult to get kills and noone will bother to man the guns.
Staticness - you are a sitting duck, maybe a duck with a big gun, but if there are two enemys willing to cooperate you will be toast. And the enemy can avoid you just by not flying near you and you cannot do anything about that - except wait, wait, and wait....

[RPS69]

Originally Posted by majorfailure

I see three issues there:
Range - even FlaK as small as 20mm has a max range of 2km, given no further visual aids that is a very small target to fire at. Could maybe be fixed with a scope sight like that of the SBD.
Balancing - make it too easy to get kills (like human bomber gunners) and there will be an outcry of those who prefer to fly. Make it to difficult to get kills and noone will bother to man the guns.
Staticness - you are a sitting duck, maybe a duck with a big gun, but if there are two enemys willing to cooperate you will be toast. And the enemy can avoid you just by not flying near you and you cannot do anything about that - except wait, wait, and wait....

Yes, and no. You may just consider all of them as a single aircraft position, and just change positions like you do in a bomber...
Or if you are playing a game where you have sensitive positions, where your opponents will be forced to stryke, then you are allways in the right place.

[majorfailure]

Originally Posted by RPS69

Yes, and no. You may just consider all of them as a single aircraft position, and just change positions like you do in a bomber...

Did you really think this through? Switchable gunstations are easily exploited, just switch station as soon as anything comes too close for comfort.

Originally Posted by RPS69

Or if you are playing a game where you have sensitive positions, where your opponents will be forced to stryke, then you are allways in the right place.

You will still sit and wait until he arrives. And then you still sit.

Just consider how many FlaKs you can take out on average in a single mission without getting shot out of the sky. That will be the number of times you will be shredded to pieces when manning a gun without taking out an enemy plane - still sounds like fun?

[Tuphlandng]

Originally Posted by majorfailure

- still sounds like fun?

Yep Still sounds Like fun

[RPS69]

Originally Posted by majorfailure

Did you really think this through? Switchable gunstations are easily exploited, just switch station as soon as anything comes too close for comfort.


You will still sit and wait until he arrives. And then you still sit.

Just consider how many FlaKs you can take out on average in a single mission without getting shot out of the sky. That will be the number of times you will be shredded to pieces when manning a gun without taking out an enemy plane - still sounds like fun?

I consider that you can't see the whole picture. Probably you were never on the situations I'am thinking of. Anyway, if you flight in a bombing mission, you may have to fly a very long route, of about 30 minutes, on an arcadish mission, or 2 hours on a near real one. And that just to arrive into a sector where your escort is nowhere to be seen, and you have the misfortune of being bounced by enemy fighters. He kills you in its first pass, and all the travel for nothing. Not much difference in between keeping positions in a flak battery, to a long range bombing mission.

Try to play the gunner in a bombing mission for a while. We have played a campaign with everybody on it's place inside a B17. It was different. Usually you flight the bomber changing positions to have a better view of your surroundings. But flying without that option, is a completely different experience of flying. You have to absolutely rely on your crews reports!

[majorfailure]

Originally Posted by RPS69

I consider that you can't see the whole picture. Probably you were never on the situations I'am thinking of. Anyway, if you flight in a bombing mission, you may have to fly a very long route, of about 30 minutes, on an arcadish mission, or 2 hours on a near real one. And that just to arrive into a sector where your escort is nowhere to be seen, and you have the misfortune of being bounced by enemy fighters. He kills you in its first pass, and all the travel for nothing. Not much difference in between keeping positions in a flak battery, to a long range bombing mission.

Never tried the 2h stuff. But I know what it feels like to get shot out of the sky a few miles away from target -after 30mins of flight (And if that would happen 4 out of 5 times I would quit flying bombers). But I still think flying in a bomber is more fun than manning FlaK, at least you are not static - if a sitting duck against fighters though. You can at least try using your mobility to surprise the enemy.