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View Poll Results: Which of four GA airplanes were in your opinion more effective? Whats your basis?
Il-2 14 58.33%
Ju-87 2 8.33%
Fw-190 8 33.33%
Any soviet fighter 1 4.17%
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Old 09-20-2008, 07:07 AM
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Which of four GA airplanes were in your opinion more effective? Whats your basis?
effective: n adjective, producing a desired or intended result.

i am the only one that voted for the stuka so far

the stuka was purpose built to be a ground attack aircraft with a specific objective in that strategy, the pinpoint bombing of ground targets. as such it was extremely effective and without it the fast moving sweeps that the german armored units did would have been much less effective, maybe even impossible. but the stuka was dependent on air cover by its own german airforce, and without air dominance it was extremely vulnerable, such as during BoB when the english pilots had "stuka parties" which was like shooting fish in a barrel.

since your question asks about GA in the plural, you'd have to include the il2. again purpose built as a GA aircraft, but rather then pinpoint bombing its role was as a more general GA aircraft that was aimed at dealing with armoured vehicles or enemy targets that had light AA protection. with its very heavy defensive armor and several large caliber tank-killing forward firing guns, resulting in a "flying tank" aircraft that was good at both tasks. but being slow and heavy, it was also very dependent on appropriate aircover, and without it it wouldnt have lasted long. many of the high scoring german aces on the eastern front obtained their high scores by shooting down vulnerable aircraft like the il2 (until it got a rear gunner in its later versions, and by which time aerial forces btw germany and russia were fairly equal)

both those aircraft were good at what they were intended for, but had a somewhat different purpose. so if you ask "which is more effective", you'd have to specify as what because air to ground has different aspects, and each of those aircraft was good/better/best at some of those functions. the modern version of the il2 is probably something like the A-10, and the modern version of the stuka is probably a laser guided bomb that can fly down the chimney of a specific building

both the FW-190 and "any soviet fighter" are excluded from this question because they were not the major planes used in a GA role and were not built for that purpose (obviously variants existed that had that capability, and modifications were made at certain times so they could be used in a air to ground role).

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both the FW-190 and "any soviet fighter" are excluded from this question because they were not the major planes used in a GA role and were not built for that purpose (obviously variants existed that had that capability, and modifications were made at certain times so they could be used in a air to ground role).
Wasn't The 190 the official successor of the stuka ?
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Wasn't The 190 the official successor of the stuka ?
HS 129 and Ju 88P-1 replaced the Stuka where possible.

FW190 was more a fighter/bomber

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Wasn't The 190 the official successor of the stuka ?
iirc i think the FW-190 was specifically developed as a high/med altitude fighter with additional bomber interceptor functions.

when the 190 was first released it was significantly superior to the then existing spitfires models as a single seat fighter , and it took the brits 6 to 9 months to catchup by further evolving the spitfire.

when both 109's and 190's would combine to intercept allied bomber formations, the 190's would mainly attack the bombers themselves, while the 109's would try and deal with the fighter escorts.

whatever function the 190 did in ground attack function, it was mostly as an afterthought because the plane was fairly sturdy.

others here might have more detail on its role, but thats how i understood it.
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Old 09-20-2008, 04:43 PM
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iirc i think the FW-190 was specifically developed as a high/med altitude fighter with additional bomber interceptor functions.

when the 190 was first released it was significantly superior to the then existing spitfires models as a single seat fighter , and it took the brits 6 to 9 months to catchup by further evolving the spitfire.

when both 109's and 190's would combine to intercept allied bomber formations, the 190's would mainly attack the bombers themselves, while the 109's would try and deal with the fighter escorts.

whatever function the 190 did in ground attack function, it was mostly as an afterthought because the plane was fairly sturdy.

others here might have more detail on its role, but thats how i understood it.
I agree, but the question concerns aircrafts that have been intensively used as GA aircraft, not only aircraft which have been built specifically for this purpose.
So I would keep Fw-190 and soviet fighters in the list.
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