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03-13-2013, 07:09 PM
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Indeed... perhaps the 45mm armed Yak-9 but I doubt anything else would do it.
IL-2 does model the recoil effect on the ground, I'm not sure how realistically, but you can slow the plane down by firing your guns. The effect is negligible compared to the friction of the grass.... but I suppose with the extra large cannon it might make a big enough difference to matter.
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03-13-2013, 09:56 PM
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and in fact, i read lot of mentions about recoil on land/in air, but now can remember only what written about yak-9t one of best soviet aces, Vorozheykin - Quote:
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03-15-2013, 12:22 PM
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that interesting and funny, only now i saw this page and found what sometimes i just repeated (with help of peoples from many forums/sites, of course) findings and what written in total by Alex Ruchkowsky...
in fact it's good because 2 similar opinions it's very indicative, we on right way... highly recommend to read this page, especially, because it's already on english and no reasons to some my bad translations further, i will only add some information and want to focused on armament/performance... (by the way, in addition to old drawings from 2010 on this site, if DT will do/fix 3d model of laggs, here apparently last and best or one of best - at this moment - drawings for this good deal)... and just for fun, official report about NS-37, plus, attached some pics, on 1 belt with 20 mm shells for yak (i see 1 AP - 1 HE) and apparently, another good confirmation of belting-theory, belt with 23 mm shells for il-2 (i clearly see 3 AP - 1 HE or HEI)... oh, and i remembered about one of, apparently, confirmations of weight of yak-9d as front fighter ie around 2900 kg (310 kg of fuel, around 20 kg of oil), well, here interesting document and description of plane for tests with 2880 kg...
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03-21-2013, 05:15 PM
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and i heard before that DT interested in la-5, well, he have similar drawings and for la-5 of early series ie la-5 with fuselage of lagg-3 (in game now 3d model of, if i'm not mistaken, la-5 of around 1-4 series, with mixed performance of 1-8,9 and 9,10-xx series), but, apparently, at this moment no full version in one archive... and, in fact, i again highly recommend for all who want know more, see all these pics... 
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03-28-2013, 09:31 PM
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in offline long time i trying to write what found about il-2s, but, oh, this is so hard for one and ordinary guy like me, so, at this time, only about il-2 with 2 ns-37...
performance from compare 4.11 - weight 5732.96 kg (in tests, weight with full load, ie apparently 100 kg of bombs, around 6160 kg), 399 kph at sl (in first, apparently, tests speed around 387-391, but in game it's can be speed of late series) etc, just now personally i don't have full data... weapons - prototype had and was tested with 60 shells for each ns-37, and 200 kg of normal bomb load, serial planes had 50 shells for each ns-37 and 100 kg (normal) or 200 kg (overload) of bomb load, and - apparently - never not had any rockets, and although info about this different, personally i not saw any photos with rockets and think at this moment what planes really not had rockets... ie 2 cannons under wings + more weight = only bombs... so, apparently, loads for il-2 with ns-37 can look like 100 shells in total as default - personally my opinion, repeat, need and different ammobelts - 120 as prototype (for fun), plus something like 2xfab-50, 4xfab-50, 2xfab-100, some light bombs like ao-xx and ptabs=200 kg max... (maybe, DT can do for fun experimental il-2 with ns-45, as new load for il-2 with ns-37 or new plane, if i'm not mistaken, it's easy because plane just had new cannons (although, of course, in ideal need to do and all problems of ns-37/45)... and il-2 with ns-37 never not had wings with "стрелка" (or "крыло стрельчатой конструкции") - постановление ГКО № 4554сс, 13.11.1943, "Об установке на самолетах Ил-2, выпускаемых заводом № 30 НКАП, пушек Волкова-Ярцева калибра 23 мм вместо пушек ОКБ-16 калибра 37 мм" - ie in nov'43 resolution about production of il-2 with vya-23 instead ns-37 because cannon was not really effective by several technical and other reasons... another quote just about стрелка - "Как следует из документов, завод № 18 вышел на плановый уровень производства Ил-2 с металлическим крылом "со стрелкой" лишь к июню, а 1-й и 30-й заводы - к сентябрю 1944 г. Всего к концу года в ВВС поступило 7377 Ил-2 "крыло со стрелкой". При этом авиазаводы № 1 и № 30 выпускали самолеты и с металлическим, и с деревянным крылом. Все самолеты имели "стандартное" для 1944 г. наступательное вооружение: пушки ВЯ, пулеметы ШКАС, "эрэ-сы" и бомбы. Пушки НС-37 на них никогда не устанавливались." etc, although need more information, apparently, could be exeptions or something like this... well, and in very interesting "справочник по самолету ил-2, 1944", which recently was posted here, was confirmed information about 150 rounds for VUB-3 with UBT of il-2 two-seater (in game all il-2s have 200)...
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03-29-2013, 09:36 PM
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in addition to wish with il-2 with ns-45, if..., was tested plane with 100 shells in total...
i wanted to write about this later, in context of yak-7b with m-105pa, laggs'41 etc, but need too much time for all this things, so, i will start it now... well, here we have interesting project, with several documents about VVS which can be very useful and one of most interesting docs at this moment, i think, it's "альбом по дальности и продолжительности полета самолетов" (dated 1943, but, in fact, last plane was tested in end'45)... only some findings - page 11, yak-9 of 155 plant with 4 fuel tanks (673 ltr of fuel) and weight 3035 kg, was tested in july'42... looks like prototype of yak-9/yak-9d ie yak-7d... apparently, it's could be another confirmation of normal weight of yak-9d... page 12 - serial lagg-3 of 153 plant with sn 871 ie apparently 71 plane of 8 serie, 5 fuel tanks (452 ltr) and 3150 kg, was tested in august'42... apparently, it's one of last planes of 153 plant, similar with 7-xx series of 21 plant... and just quote about other lagg-3 of 153 - Quote:
page 22 - serial il-4... well, i'm know about bombers too little, but here in loads i see interesting things like 6 load - 1xfab-1000 + 2xfab-500 + 6xfab-100 = 2600 kg of bombs with limited fuel... Сита, это то о чем ты читал и хотел найти подтверждение? page 26 - serial il-2 with max. weight 6360 kg, was tested in feb'43... well, what very interesting here, it's 2 load - 6xfab-100 + 4 rs-82, and 3 load - 2xfab-250 + 4 rs-82... apparently, if it's really true, loads could be included in game... page 31 - serial la-5fn with sn 39210367, 3 fuel tanks (460 l) and 3300 kg, was tested in july'43 and what interesting here it's, apparently, confirmation of normal weight of la-5fn=3290-3300 kg in compare with 3320-3340 of some planes (ie, in this case, in game really NOT la-5fn type 41 or just 1944)... by the way, other confirmation of 3290-3300 kg (quote from "Отчет об испытаниях самолета "Лавочкин-5" с мотором М-71 N 39210204") - Quote:
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page 34 - just another lagg-3 of 31 plant, with sn 6672 (ie it's really famous 66 serie), with 3 fuel tanks (400 l) and 3023 kg, was tested in dec'43... page 36 - serial il-2 with ns-37 and max. weight 6150 kg, was tested in nov'43... i think, it's good confirmation of my last post (6160kg=100 kg of bombs and no any rockets)... page 38 - serial yak-9d with sn 0715306, 4 ft (645 l) and 3120 kg, was tested in feb'44... well, apparently it's one of first serial planes for tests, and it's why weight=3120... page 56 - serial il-10, was tested in may'45... i saw here debates about 2xfab-250 for this plane, well, 4 load - 2xfab-250 + 100 kg of other bombs... etc etc etc including many bombers, several lend-lease and captured planes...
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03-30-2013, 11:34 AM
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Regarding the weight, I agree, 3320-3340 kg is too much, but in my opinion, it should be between 3300-3320, like all examples in NII VVS tests.
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