4-12 wish list (Merged)

[Bionde]

Originally Posted by SPAD-1949

All of the above is allready implemented.
You can collide and just loose surfaces, you can cut your enemy in halft or rip of wings under the danger of exploding.
Pieces of ac will inflict damage or down other ac.

I know it but if a wing of B24 ripped in fall hits you, nothing happens, by I saw...

Another wish is the external ordnance can be hit, yesterday flying in La7 vs Ar-234 with 3xAB500 and I didn't know what happened with AI's, they just flew leveled, like drones and I can pratice shoot, and I tried to hit a bomb and nothing happens, as if the bomb was not it there. I know if a bomb was hit, probably wouldn't explode but at least would come off from the wing.

sry for my bad english.

[nic727]

Hi,

It's not for 4.12, but for 4.13... If possible <------> For OpenGL 2.1

It could be nice to fixe some glitch/bug for low graphic card.
- Better clouds
- 3D water even if you are not in perfect (you can add other switch in the display setting for water quality).

Check that

[=FPS=Salsero]

Well, I know it's way too late for 4.12, but... for 4.13 (eh, should it be called 5.0? )
The current maps, either in-briefing and in-flight are next to useless for the level bomber, especially in the crosswind. We even do not have the marker bombs to check the aiming, whereas they were in use in WW2.
E.g, It's nice to have the FAB-x000 in say Pe-8, but I do bet that before using it the navigator was using the marker to do a last-minute adjustments of the bombsight.
Ok, I do understand introducing the marker bombs is likely too much pain.

But maybe it is possible:
1.to replace the maps - to replace the old bitmap ones with the better-resolution ones, probably generated from the terrain? It would be fantastic to be able to read the heights from the inflight map using the mouse.
2.To introduce the simple aiming aids - the TAS conversion table, the altimeter and the airspeed indicator that are visible when looking in the bombsight, all of them graduated in the same units as a bombsight? And the direction and speed of the wind?
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One more request is for introduction of RRABs for Soviet bombers, They were extensively used during the Winter War.

And ZAB's - towards the end of WW2.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by =FPS=Salsero

The current maps, either in-briefing and in-flight are next to useless for the level bomber, especially in the crosswind. We even do not have the marker bombs to check the aiming, whereas they were in use in WW2.

Good suggestions. There are a lot of gaps in IL2's simulation of level bombing operations. After all, it was never envisioned as a high altitude level bombing simulator!

Winds blowing at different speeds at different altitudes have yet to be modeled in the game. In particular, you don't have the effects of the Jet Stream modeled at stratospheric altitudes. That was a big problem, especially for some U.S. heavy bombing operations.

Also, while IL2 does a good job modeling cluster bombs and similar explosive submunitions, it doesn't do such a great job with smoke bombs, flares or incendiaries. Likewise, there's no provision to ignite flammable objects, such as wooden buildings, so incendiary munitions are a moot point.

And, as you said, a number of targeting aids used for level bombing aren't readily available in the game.

The problem is that doing any of these changes right - so that when you drop an incendiary bomb on a building it actually starts a fire which spreads - requires a massive amount of work, almost turning IL2 into a different simulation.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

Winds blowing at different speeds at different altitudes have yet to be modeled in the game. In particular, you don't have the effects of the Jet Stream modeled at stratospheric altitudes. That was a big problem, especially for some U.S. heavy bombing operations.

this particular point is not true, however, i agree that there are many things that could be done to improve flying bombers in the game, a height tool in the fmb for briefings would be particularly useful imo.

[ECV56_Guevara]

Yes, thats right, wind speeds are modelled, but some Pursuivant suggestions are very good.

Here an example of the multiple target marking sistems/navigation aids used by the Bomber command.

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/target.html

[fruitbat]

A quick question, is wind modelled on bombs as they fall?

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by ECV56_Guevara

Here an example of the multiple target marking systems/navigation aids used by the Bomber command.

That's a nice link!

Looking at it, it seems that it wouldn't be that hard to model the various Pathfinder techniques.

1) H2S - Just create a modified view of the regular map, so that it looks sort of like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ay_Cologne.jpg

All you need to do is treat water as black areas, land as dark gray and buildings and bridges (or just city plates) as speckled and streaked white.

This view wouldn't be much different from "radar" map views produced as mods.

And, of course, you have a signal emitted from the plane when it has H2S turned on, which allows it to be tracked by German nightfighters carrying NAXOS.

2) OBOE - This is very similar to existing navigation aids in the game and would be very easy to implement. You have two signal beacons - one from the CAT station and the other from the MOUSE station. As long as the game detects that the plane is flying at the correct distance from CAT it sends one tone. Too far away and it sends another tone, too close and it sends still another tone.

When the plane gets near its target, the game sends the MOUSE warning signal as long as the plane is on the correct course indicated by CAT. The game then has the plane release its markers according to the signal sent from MOUSE.

3) PARRAMATTA - This is nothing more than Mosquitos or other bombers loaded with marker flares, so it's just a loadout option. It's easy to implement, since flares can be modeled in the game. Just get the right colors of yellow, red, blue, etc.

Operations with follow-up Pathfinders re-marking the target can be created using the FMB.

4) NEWHAVEN - This is just another use of the parachute flares loadout. The FMB can be used to create the full effect, with the lead aircraft dropping parachute flares and follow-on aircraft dropping marker flares.

5) WANGANUI - This is basically the same as NEWHAVEN, except that the parachute flares are dropped from a higher altitude and more of them are dropped.

To get the whole night bomber effect, you'd also want:

A) Clouds, smoke and haze as placeable objects. This simulates smokescreens, smoke from fires or the ubiquitous haze which blanketed most 1940s era cities. All are useful visual navigation aids and countermeasures against precision bombing.

B) Large, high fires as placeable objects. This simulates the massive fires caused by incendiary bombing. It would be even more impressive if you could get turbulence effects above really big fires, simulating the effects of the rising heat column on air density and firestorm effects. This was a potential hazard for low-flying incendiary bombers - particularly the B-29s operating over Japan.

C) Rework existing fires so that they last longer. Realistically, even a small house fire can burn for hours and the rubble can remain hot for days.

D) A rework of static objects to indicate whether they're flammable or non-flammable. Flammable objects continue to burn if they get hit by an incendiary, otherwise, the fire goes out.

E) The possibility of flames spreading to nearby flammable objects.

F) The option of having city lights on. Later in the war, the Germans realized that it did little good to black out their cities due to accurate Allied bombing radar and other path-finding measures. So, they just turned the lights back on, since it made it easier for their own nightfighters to navigate and to see enemy aircraft. It also helped flak crews to see British planes due to their shiny black lower surfaces.

Something for our friends at TD to keep in mind for patch 4.12 +n!

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

this particular point is not true, however, i agree that there are many things that could be done to improve flying bombers in the game, a height tool in the fmb for briefings would be particularly useful imo.

My bad for missing the wind height and speed option in the FMB. Let's hope that it allows for even more dynamic weather effects later on.

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

... a height tool in the fmb for briefings would be particularly useful imo.

Seconded.