the failure of clod is a failure of US ALL

[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

In aviation terms: They tried to build an Airbus A380XXL with the team and resources of the Wright-Brothers.

And I'm honest: I'm glad it's over.
777 will make a fresh start and hopefully with one step at a time, rather than reinventing everything.


So, is it our fault?
No. Be it supporters like myself (at least in the beginning) or constant complainers. We all came here for the same hopes and reasons. Just with different ways to express our feelings. But you can't make a brick fly - no matter how loud or sweet you talk to it.

If you read Loft's posts on the new forum, you will know what's comming. Loft posted very early on about the lack of interest in accurate and advanced combat flight sim and praised those new arcade flying games made recently with the pay for every gauge and bolt bussines model.
The new game will be a far cry from anything we, il-2 players, take for granted. Online will suck due to limitations of the engine and fragmented community because of a lot of payware.
If you think BOS will follow on Il-2's foot steps you will be in for a surprise.

[GOA_Potenz]

Originally Posted by Jaws2002

If you read Loft's posts on the new forum, you will know what's comming. Loft posted very early on about the lack of interest in accurate and advanced combat flight sim and praised those new arcade flying games made recently with the pay for every gauge and bolt bussines model.
The new game will be a far cry from anything we, il-2 players, take for granted. Online will suck due to limitations of the engine and fragmented community because of a lot of payware.
If you think BOS will follow on Il-2's foot steps you will be in for a surprise.

have you tried RoF???

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

have you tried RoF???

Have you read the Rof forums in the last few days.....

[CWMV]

Originally Posted by Jaws2002

If you read Loft's posts on the new forum, you will know what's comming. Loft posted very early on about the lack of interest in accurate and advanced combat flight sim and praised those new arcade flying games made recently with the pay for every gauge and bolt bussines model.
The new game will be a far cry from anything we, il-2 players, take for granted. Online will suck due to limitations of the engine and fragmented community because of a lot of payware.
If you think BOS will follow on Il-2's foot steps you will be in for a surprise.

Your obviously not reading the forums there-or rather your reading a lot of stuff that isn't there.

Hey if your bound and determined to be miserable have at it. Were all looking forward to the release of a functional game-something CoD never was.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Originally Posted by CWMV

Your obviously not reading the forums there-or rather your reading a lot of stuff that isn't there.

Hey if your bound and determined to be miserable have at it. Were all looking forward to the release of a functional game-something CoD never was.

Jaws is spot on. I'd say you haven't been reading much.

Loft's answers have been - no we can't, no we are not going to, or maybe later, not at release. It's simple PR fluff as this will be simply a re-skinned ROF. If 777 cared so much about accuracy how come their sim has been out 4 years and the SE5A doesn't even have something as simple as trim?

It's obvious you don't know much about the sim or clod for that matter.

[CWMV]

You guys are that hung up on clickable cockpits eh?

Your bias is making you see things that arent there. Lofts statement is that they have a plan, they are sticking to it, and they do not have time for various and sundry useless crap like clickable pits.

So here's what you have to complain about:

Its staying with DX9. DX9 is stable. DX9 works and is in very wide use. Best market share. Makes sense. No need for you guys to sell your friends down the river like you were ready to when the devs here couldn't make the game work with the specs on the box.

Unknown hybrid pay system. Thats as much as anyone knows, yet everyone here is convinced it'll be pay per gauge. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiight.

"13) Can we expect the clickable cockpits?
No. We create a simulation of air combat (this includes attacking ground targets). The pilot will only receive critical systems, propeller pitch, boost, altitude control, different mechanization, weapons and more. Procedural training device it will not be, it will be a game simulator. We would like to return to the original idea of ​​the "IL-2 Sturmovik", because we believe that it was great."

But they will be to a great extent animated. So what is wrong with this? its exactly what IL2 was and IL2 has been the sim gold standard for 10 years. CoD broke from that form and FAILED.

Controllable vehicles. WHO FREAKIN CARES! FLIGHT SIM!!! Lulz.

So thats the cliffs notes of the big whining issues of the dev diaries. Seems kinda petty no?

Back to shaking you magic 8 balls now.

EDIT: And the SE5A does have trim now, go play the latest release. Just another example of them actually fixing their sim, something that CoD never really got.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Sounds like a child got their toys taken away.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by CWMV

You guys are that hung up on clickable cockpits eh?

Your bias is making you see things that arent there. Lofts statement is that they have a plan, they are sticking to it, and they do not have time for various and sundry useless crap like clickable pits.

So here's what you have to complain about:

Its staying with DX9. DX9 is stable. DX9 works and is in very wide use. Best market share. Makes sense. No need for you guys to sell your friends down the river like you were ready to when the devs here couldn't make the game work with the specs on the box.

Unknown hybrid pay system. Thats as much as anyone knows, yet everyone here is convinced it'll be pay per gauge. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiight.

"13) Can we expect the clickable cockpits?
No. We create a simulation of air combat (this includes attacking ground targets). The pilot will only receive critical systems, propeller pitch, boost, altitude control, different mechanization, weapons and more. Procedural training device it will not be, it will be a game simulator. We would like to return to the original idea of ​​the "IL-2 Sturmovik", because we believe that it was great."

But they will be to a great extent animated. So what is wrong with this? its exactly what IL2 was and IL2 has been the sim gold standard for 10 years. CoD broke from that form and FAILED.

Controllable vehicles. WHO FREAKIN CARES! FLIGHT SIM!!! Lulz.

So thats the cliffs notes of the big whining issues of the dev diaries. Seems kinda petty no?

Back to shaking you magic 8 balls now.

EDIT: And the SE5A does have trim now, go play the latest release. Just another example of them actually fixing their sim, something that CoD never really got.

Why do you come here with that, go to the new forum and vent

[tintifaxl]

Originally Posted by CWMV

You guys are that hung up on clickable cockpits eh?

Your bias is making you see things that arent there. Lofts statement is that they have a plan, they are sticking to it, and they do not have time for various and sundry useless crap like clickable pits.

Sorry, not in my book. Flying bombers or multi engined planes makes clickable pits very! important. Of course, if you stay with the I-16, then ok.

Originally Posted by CWMV

... its exactly what IL2 was and IL2 has been the sim gold standard for 10 years.

10 year old standard? Not what I want in 2014. There has to be improvement in BoS on every sim-relevant aspect over IL2. Maybe take DCS-51 as reference?

Most important features to me:

* flight model
* level of accuracy for operating the planes including engine management and radios
* dynamic weather
* believeable AI (includes ground control)
* dynamic and scripted coop/offline/online campaigns with career

We will see what 777 can deliver.

The only gripes I have with CloD (since the patch 07/2011) are:

* AI and radio comms (ruins offline play for me)
* disappearing contacts (ruins online play for me)

Very sadly Luthier concentrated their efforts in a graphic engine rewrite instead of fixing those.

[raaaid]

certainly myself i didnt talk much about the game

rather playing that complaining and use the forum to chatty chat as i would in a pub

but my point is this is a failure for us and lucky us for 777 or wwii air sim would have disappear maybe forever

what happened is bad for us all as simmers and many people are masochistically happy and were praying for this end

imagine this type of guy whith a psicology of i harm myself to harm others to feel good get access to the buttom