Channel Map Comparisons

startrekmike · #1 12-26-2012, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaws2002

They just torpedoed the entire online community with this map.
The map is sold as addon. Looks like not many online regulars got this new map and if it shows up in the rotation on the server, the guys that don't have it get kicked. The server instantly goes from 20-30 people to five. Now those that didn't get the map can't play, and those that got it don't have who to play with.
If you dare posting about it on ROF forums they delete the thread in a heart beat.
Good luck with this bussines model in the next game.
The map is ok, the collor of water is off. Water looks like 1946 water with better waves. The lighting engine makes it look wrong.

Were you expecting them to just give it away?

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to be a ROF cheerleader here but if they offered a system where those who don't own the map could play on servers that are using it, do you really think that anyone but dedicated server owners and single player fans would actually bother buying it? It would essentially mean that they did all that hard work for nothing.

I think the map is a little expensive but that is to be expected for a project of that scale.

The reason they are closing threads like that is because those threads always turn nasty and the ROF forum mods don't want to deal with a ton of anger about something that is actually perfectly logical.

Lastly, I don't think one can really compare ROF and CloD's channel maps, both are built with different goals in mind and while I will always say that CloD has a better looking map, I don't feel that it counts against ROF's map as they both do what they set out to do (though I find that ROF is consistently smoother in the FPS department and the weather effects really make it interesting).

I imagine that this thread is really just going to turn into another ROF bashing session, I suppose there is no avoiding it on this forum.

I wish we could all go back to talking about CloD and not CloD compared to everything else.

Skoshi Tiger · #2 12-26-2012, 02:12 AM

Low level near Deal ROF followed by Cod!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcXZf...=youtube_gdata

Jaws2002 · #3 12-26-2012, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

Low level near Deal ROF followed by Cod!

Do you have the same crazy fog I do in ROF? I don't know if it's something i did or not, but I can't even see the sun at sunset.

Skoshi Tiger · #4 12-26-2012, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaws2002

Do you have the same crazy fog I do in ROF?

Over the ocean yes but not over the land. (I think)

Feathered_IV · #5 12-26-2012, 03:47 AM

Nice screens!

ElAurens · #6 12-26-2012, 04:05 AM

Here are some I took on my first foray on that map...

The new patch changed some of my settings so I did not realize my AA was turned way down. It also turned bloom back on, normally I don't use it as it does not look at all real.

The ground textures are too washed out, just as in the other RoF maps, but overall it is not bad, if a bit lifeless feeling, again just like the main RoF map.

I cannot fault the aircraft models though. If only RoF's environment looked as good as the aircraft.

Ribbs67 · #7 12-26-2012, 02:54 PM

Jaws2002.. I understand your frustration.. but you have to remember the map has only been out for a day or to...( plus its the holidays..more people probably have the map..just don't have it installed.) As for players that cant play because they don't have the map.. is just the way it is. It sux I know but other than running a dedicated channel map server.. their isn't any other way around it. On a positive note.. it will stimulate channel map sales, that will help produce other maps. S! Or other projects

Jaws2002 · #8 12-26-2012, 02:12 AM

I think they were suposed to think about the online community with this move. It's not like a plane one doesn't own. If you don't own a plane in the mission, you could just get another plane, or fly gunner for somebody else. With this one, everyone that doesn't have the map is out and the mission goes to crap.
This map can straight up kill the online community. I don't think they thought of that. Are they going to make enough money on this map to compensate for the online guys that will just give up and go look for another game?
Maybe, maybe not.
The map is ok and the new boat is fun, but, I wouldn't risk killing the online game play for this map.

Skoshi Tiger · #9 12-26-2012, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by startrekmike

I imagine that this thread is really just going to turn into another ROF bashing session, I suppose there is no avoiding it on this forum.

I wish we could all go back to talking about CloD and not CloD compared to everything else.

I wouldn't be so negative about it. Everyone has to live with the fact that the Future of the IL2 Series is Il2-BOS. If people can't talk about their concerns and hopes how will the developers get a feeling what the community is willing to buy.

It would be a absolute pitty it in a year or so time the developers released a product that failed to meet the expectations of their market.

Even before the developers stopped working on COD, it was impossible to discuss it in isolation. I think this is all just a natural progression and that people still need the oportunity to talk about the state of things.

And also threads like this gives people who know the in-and-outs of ROF give people like me tips to improve the visuals and performance of ROF. That's not a bad thing.

startrekmike · #10 12-26-2012, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

I wouldn't be so negative about it. Everyone has to live with the fact that the Future of the IL2 Series is Il2-BOS. If people can't talk about their concerns and hopes how will the developers get a feeling what the community is willing to buy.

It would be a absolute pitty it in a year or so time the developers released a product that failed to meet the expectations of their market.

Even before the developers stopped working on COD, it was impossible to discuss it in isolation. I think this is all just a natural progression and that people still need the oportunity to talk about the state of things.

And also threads like this gives people who know the in-and-outs of ROF give people like me tips to improve the visuals and performance of ROF. That's not a bad thing.

I totally understand folks who go on the BoS forum and voice concerns about the upcoming sim, I even understand the same folks going to the ROF or CloD forums and voicing those concerns also, that is what makes a healthy community (and we are all one community, we all play historical flight sims!)

The problem comes when some choose to just stand around and complain, make unreasonable demands and try to stir up trouble (by trolling topics, instigating fights) and when someone calls them out, they act like they are the victim and that they "were only voicing concern" and accuse the mods of silencing them or some other such nonsense.

Constructive criticism is great, it allows dev's to see what they should do next, complaining, comparing two different products with two very different goals and acting like we are football fans that can only root for one team or the other helps nobody and only causes more problems down the road.

I don't say that you do this Skoshi, I have read your posts and although perhaps I see subtext in some that might actually just be me being to sensitive, I think you are a pretty stand up guy that does not tend to make snide remarks just to piss people off.

Honestly, I think this entire thread is pointless, it is just going to turn into another thread that makes users of both (like me and probably many others) feel unwelcome, it might not be that now but just wait till the trolls get here and start trying to bait others into conflict.

ROF is not CloD, CloD is not ROF and BoS will be neither, I think that is the best way to look at things at this point.