No Loss thoughts?

Zechnophobe · #1 10-30-2012, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DGDobrev

Well, that's the thing... I have only an hour or two of play time a day cause I need to work, and I would hate to see a decent-looking game hitting the brick wall into the necromancer in the cave who spawned with 5k leadership instead of 3k. So checking everything out may not provide any accurate info in the end.

I may still do it though. I would feel much better if I see that I can count on 3-4 Soothsayers on the first island rather than just 2. That allows for splitting similar to the 4x1 Inquisitors in KBAP, which raises the odds at getting no loss a great deal.

We just need to find the way, I guess

However, having a low-leadership count Ahriman and Necromancer, along with a Call Collosus scroll seems to be extremely tough to get.

Call Colossus may be cheesable is what I'm thinking. Y'know, break eggs until you get the right scroll. Not sure, just a guess. I never tried that with wanderer scrolls in KBAP, it might work.

That said, I'm still fairly sure you could do the spider without losses using Maidens, Jotuns, and Jarls, and maybe some other stuff. You just need something that can tank the spider while others kill all the spiders.

zjazd18 · #2 10-30-2012, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Zechnophobe

That said, I'm still fairly sure you could do the spider without losses using Maidens, Jotuns, and Jarls, and maybe some other stuff. You just need something that can tank the spider while others kill all the spiders.

What if Maiden dies from ranged attack, that boss do randomly u cant ressurect her. Only super buffed army that can dish tons of dmg in few rounds would stand a chance to do it, but then again boss retaliate on every single attack even ranged.
Don't see any other option than trolls to do it no-loss.

DGDobrev · #3 10-30-2012, 10:49 PM

Trolls were the most viable option for no-loss in the previous installments of KB too. But let's just get there and see... As things stand, there sure looks to be a way to do no-loss, but it requires a wicked game setup which I doubt we will see happening very often.

In the end, if one manages it, then it's manageable by all. KBAP/CW also had great and poor setups. Thing is, we can't tell before a scanner appears

unicornxp · #4 10-31-2012, 12:21 AM

Well, I tried my best to beat the black knight without call of nature(i have lv2 healing)....this need too much S/L and i cant do the same way to beat next necromancer with no loss

maybe lv3 healing could be possible?

quicksave added

DGDobrev · #5 10-31-2012, 01:40 AM

Bad roll... As it was pointed out in this thread, the leadership of Ahriman and/or the Necromancer varies greatly, much more than in KBAP/CW. This can really turn a no-loss challenge into a hopeless one. Not easy to fight units worth about 6000+ leadership on level 4 or 5.

Since you are posting it, and you did show that you're really good in KBAP/CW and beat the game in record time, that is the only conclusion I can draw.

Loopy · #6 10-31-2012, 04:02 AM

Getting level 5 is pretty important IMO. Make sure you get the +exp medals ASAP and kill mobs to get up to level 4 before turning in quests/picking up exp bonuses. If you aren't level 5 before ahriman you should be afterward.

unicornxp · #7 10-31-2012, 08:28 AM

I got it! No loss KO the necromancer !

this game i got call of nature but no healing>_<

only mage can afford the 40mana cost ~~~ paladin and warrior may need many scrolls to make this result~~

(quicksave added)

zjazd18 · #8 10-31-2012, 10:02 AM

Great job man, doing it with mage. Make sure you have trolls on next island or call of colosus, coz spider boss is next progress block and you can still reload if necessary.

Zechnophobe · #9 11-06-2012, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by unicornxp

I got it! No loss KO the necromancer !

this game i got call of nature but no healing>_<

only mage can afford the 40mana cost ~~~ paladin and warrior may need many scrolls to make this result~~

(quicksave added)

Are all those Griffons from Call of Nature? That's some pretty nuts stuff to see.

I'm completely exhausted with trying Uldaur on Soothsayer Impossible No loss. No Call of Nature scrolls, no spells except for stoneskin, and of course the ice circle spell in rune magic (that I think you start with). No heal.

2 Soothsayer units for sale. I've gotten the fight pretty close since his army is not particularly difficult (only 17 skeleton archers! 1 Ancient Vampire, but like 25 ghosts). It's amazing how frustratingly close you can get, and then... Ghost blade kills a soothsayer and you have to start again. Only thing I got of note was a scroll for +15% crit chance, which I'm going to use for the three final fights. (Already did Ahriman, kited through Uldaur's cave to do him next, but can't get the kill).

Anyhow, I've uploaded a save folder if someone wants to one-up me. Unzip to your $save/addon folder and it should show up as one of your quick saves I think. I'd do a full normal save of your game first though, just in case...