The so called "no-loss" concept (whole game) is wrong and stupid.

[Bhruic]

Originally Posted by tiberiu

Argumentum ad populum, at it's best

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

Actually, that's not true in this case. If he were arguing that his case is true simply because of numbers, you'd be correct. But his argument (which I'm not saying I agree with) is that because the numbers are on his side, it makes economic sense. Which, if the premise is true, would be a correct conclusion.

[Elwin]

Tiberium you are a bit too offensiuve, calm down.

[tiberiu]

Originally Posted by Elwin

Tiberium you are a bit too offensiuve, calm down.

Do you possess paranormal abilities my son? How would you know my state of altertness otherwise? If so, go get your 1 milion $ prize from the Randi Foundation.

This being said, I am very calm, so your assessment of me is poor. If you think I broke the rules to which I agreed to when I signed up on this website, you should punish me and eliminate my user from here, but son, please, don't tell me what to do. You insult me freely without being specific about my supposed transgressions.

edit : ok so it seems I'm gonna be banned soon. Yes, that will be solid proof of how bright some folks around here are. Whatever, go ahead.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by tiberiu

I was discussing the quality of the product, not it's selling potential. I never suggested that they would make more money if they made the changes to make the game harder so his point is moot. I expressed my opinion that the game is way too easy and my hopes that this might change.

in my experience.. the game only being a few days installed.. it's not that easy.. them making you "use" the viking units

When I found crossworlds too easy.. I used a mod to harden it up.. but point of fact I just couldn't find "the mod" fun when I tried it last.. so I left it..

Because the 1st island was so hard to do "no loss" (WOTN) I lost like 5-20 troops just to get off the island.. if I spent a LONG, LONG time leveling up.. I might have left the first island with no loss.. I just decided it wasn't worth it.. and lost a few troops.. other then that I've been taking no loss wins on every other island.. but there NOT easy in the slightest.. I'm afraid this chess player so far differs in your opinion..

So far I'm enjoying Warriors of the North.. sorry, you can't do the same

When games have let me down strategy/challenge wise.. after some time I have used MODS to make them funner/more difficult/challenging to play.. one reason why my modding of "crossworlds" may not have been effective is because I needed to let it "sit" for a while and for the energy to be right..

As I recall in kings bounty.. the hardest game was being a "mage" so they say.. that's the game I'm playing now with WOTN so you might double-check if your doing the mage thing too

[tiberiu]

Originally Posted by themaster

in my experience.. the game only being a few days installed.. it's not that easy.. them making you "use" the viking units

The start is hard, but the difficulty soon decreases after you get wings and gather all the good stuff lying around, and as soon as you put your hand on decent units from island 2 and 3.;

On first island I nearly died while fighting the necromancer I had a really bad luck with rolls (he rolled high leadership and casted poison skull like crazy every round, with so little leadership that my hero had, I barely won the fight. It felt rewarding when I did, after such a hard battle)

So far I'm enjoying Warriors of the North.. sorry, you can't do the same

I am enjoying it very much. Bugs are a pain though.

As I recall in kings bounty.. the hardest game was being a "mage" so they say.. that's the game I'm playing now with WOTN so you might double-check if your doing the mage thing too

Mage has a weaker start but by the late game he can be the easiest to play of all. Higher Magic is very powerful. In WotN I think the Warrior (Red) is the weakest one.

[tiberiu]

Originally Posted by Bhruic

Actually, that's not true in this case. If he were arguing that his case is true simply because of numbers, you'd be correct. But his argument (which I'm not saying I agree with) is that because the numbers are on his side, it makes economic sense. Which, if the premise is true, would be a correct conclusion.

I was discussing the quality of the product, not it's selling potential. I never suggested that they would make more money if they made the changes to make the game harder so his point is moot. I expressed my opinion that the game is way too easy and my hopes that this might change. I am well aware that some people may find it hard to play even on Normal, or Easy. They are on top of the gauss curve.

I don't understand the fanaticism of these hypocrites. They say that they want to play as they like, but don't respect my right to try to do the same.
If they want an easy game where they kill 1000 bears with 1 royal snake then whatever, they should do that and praise the companies for doing games like that. I, on the other hand, don't enjoy that, and I use my right of expression to criticize the game for being easy, and I offer solid unrefutable arguments to my cause.

This thread has slowly degenerated into a gang-bang of ad hominems on my person and instead of somebody arguing calmly and politely, simply do straw men and other sophistry.

[blacklegionary]

I think the "no loss" concept have ruined the game. Because the developer trying to make "no loss" impossible, the game becomes very tedious to play.

[Bhruic]

Originally Posted by tiberiu

I was discussing the quality of the product, not it's selling potential. I never suggested that they would make more money if they made the changes to make the game harder so his point is moot. I expressed my opinion that the game is way too easy and my hopes that this might change. I am well aware that some people may find it hard to play even on Normal, or Easy. They are on top of the gauss curve.

Well, what you were discussing isn't relevant, I was refering to what you were quoting. And what you were quoting was someone talking about who the developers should focus on pleasing, and that's the majority. Which is correct, they want to sell more copies.

I don't understand the fanaticism of these hypocrites. They say that they want to play as they like, but don't respect my right to try to do the same.
If they want an easy game where they kill 1000 bears with 1 royal snake then whatever, they should do that and praise the companies for doing games like that. I, on the other hand, don't enjoy that, and I use my right of expression to criticize the game for being easy, and I offer solid unrefutable arguments to my cause.

This thread has slowly degenerated into a gang-bang of ad hominems on my person and instead of somebody arguing calmly and politely, simply do straw men and other sophistry.

Well, your position makes no sense, so it's not surprising there's little rational discussion. Basically, you're saying that people should be allowed to play however they want, as long as there's no option to allow people to play in a way that's different than how you want. Sheer silliness.

You'd have done much better by simply creating a thread saying you think the game is too easy. That's at least a somewhat supportable argument. When you start off by insulting those who enjoy going for a no-loss game, there's really not much farther down to go.

[tiberiu]

Originally Posted by Bhruic

Well, your position makes no sense

Ipse dixit?

You don't even comprehend what my position is, mate. You just insult me like all the others.

Basically, you're saying that people should be allowed to play however they want, as long as there's no option to allow people to play in a way that's different than how you want. Sheer silliness.

Except that I'm not saying such a thing. What you are doing is being evil or being very stupid. I hope it's the former.

That's at least a somewhat supportable argument. When you start off by insulting those who enjoy going for a no-loss game, there's really not much farther down to go.

I'm not insulting anybody. I am the one who is insulted. I never said that is wrong to try to do no-loss,. quite the contrary. But you must learn to read and to stop being an asshole. Good bye I expect I'm going to be banned now for telling it like it is.

[Fatt_Shade]

@tiberiu You called Elvin `but son`, and Youpiya `son` after his comment that he is married and have child. So my question is : How OLD are you ???
On tread title - you started by insulting no loss way of playing but that isnt what most ppl do, it`s simply most commented treads on this forum because in those play`s many interesting things get discovered and therefore commented and discussed after.

Yea, I'm smart and pro at games. It's only normal that I send in my assessment. It's guys like me that makes games evolve. You suck if you think that what you are doing when you kill 1000 bears with 1 royal snake is strategy.
How about shut up if you don't have anything relevant to say?

You are pro in games? Did you win any tournament, or earn money as way of living from gaming ? NO. Professional is calling some who makes living working at certain area (and here i dont count Chinese players in wow who grind gold, to sell after on E-bay). You might be experienced gamer at most.
Guy`s like you makes game evolve? No guy`s that take some problem and solve it then publish their results are one`s that make games evolve. In all your bitching here you never gave some idea how to make no loss actually impossible.
You mentioned again killing 1000 bears with 1 snake, is that subject painful for you, did you fail to acomplishe that in previous KB games and it bugs you still? Who ever said that using 1 unit to kill whole enemy army is no loss strategy? Defeating enemy and keeping your units safe, and resurrected before battle ends is goal , not losing 2 hours/battle.
If in game exists resurrection spell, and revive ability on unit why wouldnt players use them for their benefit ??? And in other games that have checkpoints, is that stupid and cheating also ? How about automatic respawn after death in FPS games ...
I started game and got crap choice of units, so i use any means to keep those that are actually useful alive, until i can restock and advance a bit in hero skills/spells/rage. therefore i`m stupid by your opinion.

This thread has slowly degenerated into a gang-bang of ad hominems on my person and instead of somebody arguing calmly and politely, simply do straw men and other sophistry.

I havent insulted you in any way in my comments on this tread like you did to anyone replying here, but would still like to read your thoughts on my post. So pls give some viable way to fix this mistake of no loss problem in KB games.