fw 190a5 flight model

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Herra Tohtori

...and the leading Finnish ace, the highest scoring non-German ace (Eino Ilmari Juutilainen) finished the war with 94 confirmed aerial combat victories in 437 sorties, without having ever been hit by enemy aircraft. He also never lost a wingman.

Naturally, from this anecdote we can deduct that the Bf-109 G-6 and by extension all the other late Gustavs are undermodeled as far as their turning ability goes!

Or Finnish pilots are overmodelled

[Glider]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Or Finnish pilots are overmodelled

Overmodelled no, cool certainly

[MaxGunz]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Or Finnish pilots are overmodelled

First time Russia sent troops to Finland they found that the whole Finnish military was over-modeled! But quantity has a quality all its own...

Really, in the old Avalon Hill Panzer Leader series design notes they rated the Finns so highly that the regulars were treated as elite officers.

[K_Freddie]

First time Russia sent troops to Finland they found that the whole Finnish military was over-modeled! But quantity has a quality all its own...

This happens when you shoot people without realising that they're your best you'll ever have.

That's him, the one I forgot ... MaxGunz

So that we're now all back +- a few extras.. are we agreed that the aeronautical engineers do not know everything about aerodynamics, as well as the pilots do not know much about aeronautical formulae ??

[MaxGunz]

AE's can tell you to what decimal point they know and prove it.

People expect too much from computers and algorithms they can run.
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* To match charts everywhere and still give every effect possible is not possible on a PC is not a failure of aero-engineering.
* To know all the details of historic planes without the actual planes is also not possible given that serially produced planes did vary often as much as 5% in a production run.
* Gauges of the times have different kinds of error including position error so we have seen a picture of 2 fighters wing to wing where IAS on one was 20 kph more than the other. How can anyone play comparison chart monkey when that is true? How can their knickers get so twisted over 'FACTS!' that are not?
* Flight sim makers bring however much they can make work on the PC of what they know. It is wrong to try and judge what they know by how the sim works.

You want to play "all opinions are equal", it is because you can't tell any better. You might as well invoke the influence of the planets and stars or even resort to "stress risers".

[Airfoil]

I am reminded of a story a friend told me of a conversation he heard at an Aircrew Association gathering with vets from the Luftwaffe and the RAF/RCAF. One Hurricane pilot was talking with a Do-17 pilot of the same vintage. He was saying how fast the Do-17 was and relaid his constant cursing that his Hurricane was not fast enough.

His counterpart chuckled and said he always thought the Do was too slow and they were too easy to catch. When you are trying to catch (or run away from something) you are never fast enough or I would imagine, able to turn tight enough. Perspective is everything.