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[4./JG53_Wotan]

One map represents Operation Dynamo hence the early planeset. I love it to bits btw, great job on that map.

So - there were plenty of E-4s in service at the start of the BoF - well before Dunkirk.

JG 2, JG 51, JG 52, and JG 77 were equipped, at least partly, by Bf 109 E-4s during the BoF.

For example, a Bf 109 E-4 flown by Major Dr. Erich Mix from Stab III./JG 52 crash-landed at Roye, France on 21 May '40.

Wotan

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by 4./JG53_Wotan

So - there were plenty of E-4s in service at the start of the BoF - well before Dunkirk.

JG 2, JG 51, JG 52, and JG 77 were equipped, at least partly, by Bf 109 E-4s during the BoF.

For example, a Bf 109 E-4 flown by Major Dr. Erich Mix from Stab III./JG 52 crash-landed at Roye, France on 21 May '40.

Wotan

Good info. By the same token, 54 Squadron flying out of Hornchurch were very active at Dunkirk -- they were flying Rotol-equipped CSP Spitfire 1a's with 100 octane fuel which are not represented in this mission.

For example, Pilot Officer (later Air Commodore) Alan C. Deere of 54 Squadron was likewise shot down flying a Spitfire 1a (100 octane) with the Rotol Constant Speed Propeller on 22 May '40 and crash landed within walking distance of the beach and was evacuated by ship with the rest of the B.E.F.

In fact, ALL RAF fighters (Spitfires and Hurricanes - MK 1's) were on 100 octane fuel during the Dunkirk evacuation. Unfortunately, 1C has chosen not to provide the 2-speed DH-prop'd models with 100 octane so only the 87 octane pump gas variants are available for this mission.

The designer of this mission makes no claim that this is a 100% accurate simulation of Operation Dynamo, and had to make many tough decisions towards effecting the best gameplay -- which he has done in spades. TBH, no E4's is a small price to pay vs the spectre of facing Spits and Hurricanes with 12 lbs of boost WEP.

[JG52Uther]

I think Erich Mix was flying an E3 when shot down near Roye on 21st May, and he was in III./JG2!
Its not easy to assign aircraft in the early years, JG52 were flying a lot of E1's in the BoB.

[klem]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Good info. By the same token, 54 Squadron flying out of Hornchurch were very active at Dunkirk -- they were flying Rotol-equipped CSP Spitfire 1a's with 100 octane fuel which are not represented in this mission.

For example, Pilot Officer (later Air Commodore) Alan C. Deere of 54 Squadron was likewise shot down flying a Spitfire 1a (100 octane) with the Rotol Constant Speed Propeller on 22 May '40 and crash landed within walking distance of the beach and was evacuated by ship with the rest of the B.E.F.

In fact, ALL RAF fighters (Spitfires and Hurricanes - MK 1's) were on 100 octane fuel during the Dunkirk evacuation. Unfortunately, 1C has chosen not to provide the 2-speed DH-prop'd models with 100 octane so only the 87 octane pump gas variants are available for this mission.

The designer of this mission makes no claim that this is a 100% accurate simulation of Operation Dynamo, and had to make many tough decisions towards effecting the best gameplay -- which he has done in spades. TBH, no E4's is a small price to pay vs the spectre of facing Spits and Hurricanes with 12 lbs of boost WEP.

I'm happy to have the Dunkirk map as it is even if E-4s and 100 octane are missing. It's an opportunity to try that more limited planeset even if not 100% accurate.

btw don't also forget that near the end of the Dunkirk episode Al Deere and Johnny Allen, just the two of them, took on several 109s at Calais Marck between sea level and a couple of thousand feet and shot down 3 of them without loss. Al Deere was convinced that the Spitfire could out turn and out climb the aircraft he shot down although we don't know what mark of 109 it was.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by 4./JG53_Wotan

So - there were plenty of E-4s in service at the start of the BoF - well before Dunkirk.

JG 2, JG 51, JG 52, and JG 77 were equipped, at least partly, by Bf 109 E-4s during the BoF.

For example, a Bf 109 E-4 flown by Major Dr. Erich Mix from Stab III./JG 52 crash-landed at Roye, France on 21 May '40.

Wotan

Yes I know, but the map represents the majority of the variants and it's just fun to fly de Havilland RAF fighters against the manual prop pitch LW fighters. E-4 is for kids and grannies

[notafinger!]

Originally Posted by Robo.

Yes I know, but the map represents the majority of the variants and it's just fun to fly de Havilland RAF fighters against the manual prop pitch LW fighters. E-4 is for kids and grannies

This was my intention in designing the mission. That both sides would have to manually manage their pitch and based on loss returns the E-1/3 were the most common types employed during the fighting. There is evidence that E-4's were used in small numbers but too allow them then I'm sure I'd hear about no Spit IIa's or G.50's or something else I don't want on the mission. Not every flyable needs to be included on every mission and I think the mission is pretty well balanced as is.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by notafinger!

This was my intention in designing the mission. That both sides would have to manually manage their pitch and based on loss returns the E-1/3 were the most common types employed during the fighting. There is evidence that E-4's were used in small numbers but too allow them then I'm sure I'd hear about no Spit IIa's or G.50's or something else I don't want on the mission. Not every flyable needs to be included on every mission and I think the mission is pretty well balanced as is.

Oh I only now realised you were the author. Great job mate. I agree 100% and you could deploy few E-4 and it would be fair (I wouldn't mind them there unlike Mk.IIa or G.50) but the mission is very cool as it is, I am always looking forward to it.

[macro]

Originally Posted by notafinger!

This was my intention in designing the mission. That both sides would have to manually manage their pitch and based on loss returns the E-1/3 were the most common types employed during the fighting. There is evidence that E-4's were used in small numbers but too allow them then I'm sure I'd hear about no Spit IIa's or G.50's or something else I don't want on the mission. Not every flyable needs to be included on every mission and I think the mission is pretty well balanced as is.

And a great job you did too mate. Very enjoyable map. The only gripe is the pauses as you approach dunkirk ( think due to loading objects?) makes a change flying other planes. And a bonus not having hand grana..... Mine shells lobbed at me lol.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by macro

And a great job you did too mate. Very enjoyable map. The only gripe is the pauses as you approach dunkirk ( think due to loading objects?) makes a change flying other planes. And a bonus not having hand grana..... Mine shells lobbed at me lol.

I thought this also. However there are not as many staitcs there as you think, my guess is its statics + buildings there... I have buildings on unlimited.

[notafinger!]

Yeah, I chopped the statics pretty hard from what it was. If you're still getting pauses on the newest version (1.3) then I don't know what else to do. It might just be that area of the map.