I dont care what the Whiners say...

nearmiss · #1 10-20-2012, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hood

And how many were playing IL2? More than both together I'd bet.

El, what a dumb thread; like who cares what you'll do - it won't influence anyone.

We're all flight sim fans here and if it fulfills its potential we'll all be happy.

Hood

Forums are for discussions. Posters are not expected to be world class journalists or experts of simulation air combat.

Members share and discuss things that relate to their interest in COD.

So, yeah... straight talk for you. There are a lot of well educated and competent people that enjoy this forums. Your high minded rhetoric can definitely be dealt with by many here. SO, it isn't a best course of chit chat to defame anyone.

In fact, we have some members than can create so much verbal heat for you, that you will feel it and see it in your very red face. You can look in a mirror and see it.

lokitexas · #2 10-20-2012, 10:37 PM

If some people have very low expectations, limited-to-no gameplay with other sims, dont mind getting broken products, a whole mess of BS posts from devs, then yeah, you can definitly enjoy this game.

Just a note.... if "whiners" dont bother you so much, why do you feel the need to post, that they dont? Obviously it bothers you that that others find the end product far from good. Dont get all sour grapes.

Freycinet · #3 10-21-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lokitexas

If some people have very low expectations, limited-to-no gameplay with other sims, dont mind getting broken products, a whole mess of BS posts from devs, then yeah, you can definitly enjoy this game.
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Sorry, just out of curiosity: if that is your opinion why are you even in this forum? If I felt like that about CoD I'd never bother to join a forum about the sim. So I'm honestly just curoius.

CaptainDoggles · #4 10-21-2012, 07:06 PM

So, this thread has established that if you aren't 100% satisfied with CLOD and aren't willing to lie and give it 5/5 reviews and aren't going to pre-order the sequel, then

a) You are a whiner

b) You are killing the entire combat flight sim genre.

ElAurens · #5 10-21-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

So, this thread has established that if you aren't 100% satisfied with CLOD and aren't willing to lie and give it 5/5 reviews and aren't going to pre-order the sequel, then

a) You are a whiner

b) You are killing the entire combat flight sim genre.

Doggles, i have never given this sim a 5/5 review, and still wouldn't. But now it is enjoyable enough for me to come back in and actually have fun with it, which I was not doing before.

And yes, I do think that the angry mob nature of handling issues, and the total lack of the most basic politeness when talking about issues is one of the reasons why the genre is fading away. The folks gazing bleary eyed at their monitors while typing millions of lines of code are human beings. They are not faceless gears in a monolithic money machine. They have feelings, and fears, and by and large work pretty damned hard and I totally understand why they would not bother to come here and be constantly bashed by a bunch of middle aged guys acting like 13 year old playground bullies.

If I had the money it took to back a virtual experience project like a computer game, I tell you I'd think long and hard before I chose a combat flight sim as the project of choice, even though I love the genre, and military aviation generally.

Why put up with a number of people who don't play the sim, who have repeatedly expressed that they don't like it, won't buy anything else from that team, and continue to bash a dead horse?

bongodriver · #6 10-21-2012, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

So, this thread has established that if you aren't 100% satisfied with CLOD and aren't willing to lie and give it 5/5 reviews and aren't going to pre-order the sequel, then

a) You are a whiner

b) You are killing the entire combat flight sim genre.

No.

a) it establishes that nobody is 100% satisfied but only the whiners will make everybody know just how much it has ruined their lives driving them to make up lies about the true meaning of threads which cast even the slightest positive light on it.

b) the genre will almost certainly die if COD dies....care to name any other WWII dedicated flight sims being produced?.....ROF and DCS won't be filling that gap for a very long time, if ever, and all we are left with is the venerable old IL2 which does not generate any revenue for 1C and won't go on forever.

addman · #7 10-21-2012, 08:07 PM

I don't get people that are STILL hanging around trash-talking the game. Especially at this point when the last patch has been released. It's just weird and a bit creepy honestly. I've stopped playing the game since quite a while now and probably won't be back until BoM is warming up for release but that doesn't mean I spend a considerable amount of time beating a horse carcass. It's kind of disturbing that people are spending so much time on an internet forum just dissing a GAME.

JtD · #8 10-21-2012, 08:17 PM

I think that if you whine, you're a whiner. No connection to critical judgment, which is a good trait.

I think the last patch brought CloD up to a 1.0 version. Like this, plus some offline contents, and it would have been a good release 18 months ago. I'm sure looking forward to the sequel, hope it's going to be another improvement, not just added contents, but of course also added contents.

#9 10-22-2012, 01:01 AM

It's all a bit drama-queeny to suggest the whole genre hinges on the continued support of a flawed franchise, never mind one game. And I dont think it is true. Or if it *is* true then perhaps the genre deserves to wither, if this is its best hope ...

No, this merely tells you the levels of personal dependency involved. Once you are weened-off the need to make this game the be-all and end-all, then you can make more rational.

Of course there will be future flight-sim games, in this genre and others. There is absolutely nothign wrong with supporting this one to the rafters, if you think that's worthwhile, but it's daft to say there wont be any others if this one fails. Not least least because this one (or this version) already *has* failed in the eyes of many. A new patch and a bit of retrospective hurrah-ing isn't going to change that.

And how can anyone know there wont be others in future? It's a plain silly assumption.

Novotny · #10 10-22-2012, 01:15 AM

Well, If I were in a position to develop a game - and let's not forget, developing a game is a business - I would be looking at this genre as a bloody minefield.

Let's imagine we have X million pounds to invest, requiring a return of Y million.

What do people play? How can I make X investment make Y return?

Let's say I quite like the flight sim genre. I ask my financial expert to garner some figures, and he comes back to tell me that at any one time, there are up to 200 people world-wide playing Cliffs of Dover online.

Oh, I say. What about other sorts of games?

Well, today's peak figures on Steam say that 130,000 people were playing DoTA, 75,000 were playing Team Fortress 2, and 50,000 were playing Borderlands 2. At once. Peak figures.

Ok. And 200 were playing Cliffs, is that right?

Well, we think so. The figures don't actually go that low.

Ok. I think I'll take my x Million of investment and maybe not put it into a WW2 flight sim.

There's the hard facts, you twats. You are in a minority that is perfectly willing to turn anyone interested away from your hobby if it gains you momentary e-points.