@Devs: Stop the Central nerfs - its enough

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by Winger

109s cannot outdive - A spit even dives faster than a 109. If you try to follow and gain while diving youll shred your aeilrons or elevator. I have never seen a spit fall apart from a fast dive.

Have you ever tried to follow a 109 in a dive (you flying a Spitfire)? Go and try that.

FYI, structural damage occurs at cca 420mph IAS (aileron and elevators fall off) and you will lose wing if you pull too hard at that speed. Structural G limits are modelled for all a/c in the sim since the latest RC2 patch. Have a go in a Spitfire before you claim something like this.

Originally Posted by Winger

109s can hardly Outclimb - you know the meaning of the word HARDLY?

Depending on the pilot of course.

Originally Posted by Winger

109s can in no way outturn any allied planes - spits can dive with serveral hundred mph and the pull and turn on a dime wich would leave nothing but a puddle of bodyliquids in a real plane with that G-load.

I thought you ment outrun as in horizontal flight, but nevermind. 109s are still faster FYI. The gap is smaller now as it should be (between e.g. 109E and Spit 100 octane at S/L.)

Originally Posted by Winger

And while doing so they dont get the slightest Blackout.

Again, have a go. If you pull too hard you will B/O easily. Same for every aircraft in the sim. Nice addition btw with the structural G limits.

Originally Posted by Winger

On the other hand having the hurri so closely matched to the 109 is plain wrong. The hurri was clearly inferior to the 109. Currently we have either a too good performing hurricane or a too bad operforming 109. Your choice.

Go fly a Hurricane, it is actually inferior in every aspect except for turn rate. In this RC2 it's not a flying brick anymore so that's good news. The problem with the RAF fighters is and the reason why they need even more love that except for IIa and 100 octane Hurricane, they all struggle at certain altitude and you need to fly them at lower boost to stop shaking. The 100 octane Hurricane is nice indeed but certainly not as close to the 109 as you think. The only exception is at high alt, there might be something wrong with one of them. We can't compare to other fighters due to a bug but my bet is the 109 top ceiling and high alt performance.

[Winger]

Originally Posted by Robo.

Have you ever tried to follow a 109 in a dive (you flying a Spitfire)? Go and try that.

I tried a few times to follow a spit and shred parts of my plane off while doing so. Meanwhile the spit kept getting faster and structural integrity remained stable. No breaking off parts. FYI: My parts went missing as around 750 IAS.

Originally Posted by Robo.

I thought you ment outrun as in horizontal flight, but nevermind. 109s are still faster FYI. The gap is smaller now as it should be (between e.g. 109E and Spit 100 octane at S/L.)

I write outturn so i mean it.

Originally Posted by Robo.

Again, have a go. If you pull too hard you will B/O easily. Same for every aircraft in the sim. Nice addition btw with the structural G limits.

Its OK i know reds get blackouts too. I am not saying they shall be turning worse than 109s or pull more Gs - by no means. I just mean their G-Load can not be modelled correctly. And here i could again quote myself when i was talking of puddles in aircrafts

Originally Posted by Robo.

Go fly a Hurricane, it is actually inferior in every aspect except for turn rate. In this RC2 it's not a flying brick anymore so that's good news. The problem with the RAF fighters is and the reason why they need even more love that except for IIa and 100 octane Hurricane, they all struggle at certain altitude and you need to fly them at lower boost to stop shaking. The 100 octane Hurricane is nice indeed but certainly not as close to the 109 as you think. The only exception is at high alt, there might be something wrong with one of them. We can't compare to other fighters due to a bug but my bet is the 109 top ceiling and high alt performance.

And here i can only remind on what i actually meant. Verdict of what i ve meant: If you boost any performance then ALWAYS please consider taking into account the relative performance to Blue planes. Otherwise the currently comeptitive and with that very fun gameplay could break and we may have a porked blue side gameplay.

Winger

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by Winger

I tried a few times to follow a spit and shred parts of my plane off while doing so. Meanwhile the spit kept getting faster and structural integrity remained stable. No breaking off parts. FYI: My parts went missing as around 750 IAS.

You were going too fast, that is not Spitfires fault, that is yours.

Originally Posted by Winger

I write outturn so i mean it.

I quoted the wrong part of your post, sorry. That reply was regarding your claim about ''hardly ourunning'' the RAF.

Originally Posted by Winger

Its OK i know reds get blackouts too. I am not saying they shall be turning worse than 109s or pull more Gs - by no means. I just mean their G-Load can not be modelled correctly. And here i could again quote myself when i was talking of puddles in aircrafts

You said ''And while doing so they dont get the slightest Blackout.''

Their G load is modelled correctly imho (I tested it as it's a completely new feature in this patch). You should perhaps also try it before you claim things like this...

Originally Posted by Winger

And here i can only remind on what i actually meant. Verdict of what i ve meant: If you boost any performance then ALWAYS please consider taking into account the relative performance to Blue planes. Otherwise the currently comeptitive and with that very fun gameplay could break and we may have a porked blue side gameplay.

The relative performance is actually better and closer to the historical figures than ever before. It was more broken before this patch iirc.

This is a simulator, if the 109 dominated, so please be it, I don't mind.

The devs are fixing stuff regardless of the side. They fixed stuff because it had to be fixed and 109 got some love, too - slats are much better now, fuel tank explosion has been fixed, we have got better overheating model, radiator damage is actually working. The 109 never suffered so many 'issues' as RAF, that's why they focused at fixing them. It took them 4-5 tries to get where it is now. I also hope the 109 gets proper engine with correct performance (esp. at altitude), correct ata for 601A-1 etc etc. But it has never been unflyable or plain wrong unlike the RAF fighters. Perhaps looking at the things from bigger perspective would help.

[yobnaf]

Everything is ok. Just learn to fly the planes ! Great work. luthier + team

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by yobnaf

Everything is ok. Just learn to fly the planes ! Great work. luthier + team

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