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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 10-06-2012, 08:13 AM
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For the second time, please keep the posts to the issue at hand, ie. the weights of the aircraft.
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:31 AM
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Here is Hurricane MK1 data. Max take of weight is 6793 lbs (3081 kg). So everything above these in CLOD is just wrong.




I checked difference between SPit MK1 (without pilot armour plate) and MK II (with pilot armour plate):

P.7280 ( MK II) - 6172 lb. (2800 kg)
N.3171 ( MK I) - 6050 lb. (2744kg)

..This aeroplane ( MK II) was fitted with a bullet-proof windscreen, armour plating over the petrol tank and externally, apart from the radiator, was similar to the Rotol Spitfire I, N.3171, previously tested at this establishment. The radiator of P.7280 is of the Morris type and tests were called for to determine the suitability of this radiator under tropical conditions. Internally, one difference between this aeroplane and N.3171 has been the fitting of armour plating behind the pilot in the Spitfire II. Generally, any change in performance or handling can be attributed to the change in engine and radiator alone. "

So Spitfire MK1 with aditional pilot armour should have take off weight ab. 6123 lbs ( + 73 lbs armour) - 2777kg

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Old 10-06-2012, 06:26 PM
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You guys are incorrigible.

Hurri had a complete wing re-skin from fabric to aluminium. After the expeditionary corps experience, rear armor plating was fitted to many hurri/ Structurally it was made also stronger. Also, most of the props were de-havilland wich was more effective but heavier.

Stop trowing apples when CoD is made out of fine grapes.
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:37 PM
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If you could read correctly data which i posted for Hurricane MK I is from 6.8.1941 and maximum take off weight is listed as 6793 lbs / 3081 kg not 3300 kg like in CLOD.
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:45 PM
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Where is your source coming from ?

Do you think that all early mkI were eradicated in 1941 ? There was still plenty in Asia, Africa, flight school etc..

I trust the books written by historian.
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:02 PM
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I trust the books written by historian.
Well if you trus books written by historican you live in big mist of history. I read many books where was huge errors in data for aeroplanes. I trust more primary or orignal sources then books writeen by historican

Well have you any data claimed 3311 kg for Hurricane MK1?? Casue i havent seen any. I wonder from where 1C got it? MAby russian books where Spitfires had wodden wings and russian planes outperform anything on the earth including UFO?

Backing to topic take off weight 6793 lbs ( 3081 kg) is the highest weight listed for Hurricane MK1 ( non tropical version) i have seen. Most data clamied much less take off wegiht ( probably without aditional armour)

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Old 10-06-2012, 08:41 PM
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Hurri had a complete wing re-skin from fabric to aluminium.
Which is already referenced in 1939 manuals. The skin stressed type wings were strength tested in 1940 for a 6700lb load.
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Also, most of the props were de-havilland wich was more effective but heavier.
25lb.

A fully equipped MkIIa was 6998lb, according to the weight and balance chart in the manual. It essentially had all modifications that were included in the Mk.I, plus a few extras, and a heavier XX engine installation.
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