Why don´t these figures match up?

[Ribbs67]

why couldn't 2 people get on comms then jump into a server and fly side by side. Once speed is matched, both look at there gauges and report the speed that is indicated...

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by Ribbs67

why couldn't 2 people get on comms then jump into a server and fly side by side. Once speed is matched, both look at there gauges and report the speed that is indicated...

Agreed. Seems to me this is an absolute no brainer, before the conversation can go any further.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by Ribbs67

why couldn't 2 people get on comms then jump into a server and fly side by side. Once speed is matched, both look at there gauges and report the speed that is indicated...

Yep!

And to run together at full rated combat output (ie Spitfire 1a 100 octane @ 3000 rpms/11 lbs boost; 109 E4 at Full WEP) for 15 minutes at, say, 5000 feet for 15 minutes -- one vs one. This would prove Crumpp's assertion that the two fighters have the same relative performance.

[JtD]

Neither the Spitfires nor the 109's WEP setting were cleared for 15 minutes, wouldn't it be wiser to do a longer time test on combat/climb settings? Then go on to check if the engines can be run at WEP settings with a duration representative for the limits listed in the handbooks and only then check out what the aircraft will gain from WEP? It's fairly pointless to find that WEP performance is accurate, if one plane can fly it forever, and the other one will lose power after a few seconds.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by JtD

Neither the Spitfires nor the 109's WEP setting were cleared for 15 minutes, wouldn't it be wiser to do a longer time test on combat/climb settings? Then go on to check if the engines can be run at WEP settings with a duration representative for the limits listed in the handbooks and only then check out what the aircraft will gain from WEP? It's fairly pointless to find that WEP performance is accurate, if one plane can fly it forever, and the other one will lose power after a few seconds.

Sure. Whatever is acceptable.

But I believe each and every Red pilot, to the last man, would vehemently disagree with your "pointless" statement about demonstrating how one plane can run for an extended time at full WEP, long past its "clearance" while its opposing aircraft overheats and loses its engine after less than a half minute. All the while it's being stated that "the two are equal in relative performance" or the FM's are equal -- the problem is simply an erroneous air speed gauge.

Those of us who actually fly the sim online know this is simply wrong, but don't have the clever scripting, the mathematical formulae, nor the aeronautical engineering certifications to demonstrate otherwise. But we have eyes. And what we see and what the armchair experts are telling us is wrong. There are some Blue pilots that see this as well who HAVE flown online with their Red counterparts and QUICKLY saw --- and said, "Wow, you guys have a problem!". And it was NOT an erroneous air speed gauge. And these same Blue pilots didn't need complex mathematical equations or nifty scripting to show them that the two opposing aircraft, in this beta version 1.08, are NOT equal in relative performance.

[JtD]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

But I believe each and every Red pilot, to the last man, would vehemently disagree with your "pointless" statement about demonstrating how one plane can run for an extended time at full WEP, long past its "clearance" while its opposing aircraft overheats and loses its engine after less than a half minute.

You're disagreeing with something I didn't say. I said accurate performance on WEP setting is pointless if some planes have it available forever, while others have a hard time sustaining combat power - pretty much the same statement you are making.

(I don't fly CloD online because I think Il-2 1946 is much better at this point. Doesn't make me an armchair expert. I also don't think you need clever scripting, math or engineering degrees. Only losers focus on that. I think eyes and brains are much more important and I appreciate the information shared by those who take the time and make the effort to actually test in game performance. Very much.)

[ATAG_Snapper]

Sorry, JtD, I misunderstood your statement to say it's pointless to demonstrate that one plane can go full WEP for a prolonged period, while the other can only go full out for seconds.

Never took you to be an armchair expert!