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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 09-08-2012, 02:33 PM
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Actually Anders if you had read anything on this thread before pissing off B6 you would have seen that some of the questions were getting good answers.

Could you kindly direct me to those? All I've ever read is "No", "Low Priority" (which means 'not in all eternity') "not at the moment", "not before the sequel in order to suckle out a new buck". The one "Yes" I've read was for the patchnotes on the current patch (!) .

Maybe I really need to re-visit my "there is no patch" conspiracy theory. There are statements like "Radio communication is fully implemented" (this and similar things were actually brought up multiple times) "FMs fixed" and it turns out, like all the time, to be a blatant lie. Instead, people screw around with some magical fps-gain or -loss (depending randomly on who you ask) while my first comment is always :"looks like before".
Throw in some potemkin's villages like the "100oct" models (just Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V, while letting a cat hopping across keyboard on the plane performance settings screen) here and there and you're set to go for a long time so you can actually work on your next cash-cow.

I've not really seen much change except engine sounds and new tracers since release, really. And I'm soooo fkin' tired of waiting it out...


P.S.: I hope someone records the whole CoD-situation from the beginning. This needs to be documented as the worst case of fumbling and crookery that has ever happened in the whole IT industry - and that has to be saved for the future. I wonder why no journalist of some gaming newspaper hasn't picked up on that, yet (most reported the game as just broken at release and wanted to do a re-vised test some time in the future). I doubt that they would find such kind words as I do...
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Old 09-08-2012, 04:02 PM
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The situation *has* been recorded by many of us from the beginning, in fact since way before the beginning. And the conclusions do not make for happy viewing, more like a salutory lesson in how not to do things. The problem as I see it, has not been the drawing of conclusions (so much is blatant), but the consistent denial at so many different levels - dev/fans/forums*. Much is loyalty/happy memories/wishful thinking/cockpit-gazing. But there is no game, no BOB, not even a ghost of single player, never mind weather, that stuff in the sky that effects fighting etc....

At the end of many, many years, you have a partly finished sandbox. And that is all anyone is going to get out of Clod, at best. The rest is just how much you can be bothered to put into it. Some people like a challenge.

And now that denial is no longer possible (just too absurd) then the sibling game of 'if this is done, then that might just...' or the existence of the franchise depends on continued support'..or 'burn/bait the critics' take sover, out of sheer frustration and last gasps.

There just isn't much reality to be had. And that in itself is a huge, ongoing problem. *Still*...after all these years!

Probably enough to get me banned again. Still, I had a couple of days this time.

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Old 09-08-2012, 04:14 PM
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Old 09-08-2012, 04:32 PM
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But there is no game
Just because YOU can't get it to run doesn't mean there is no game... it just means YOU can't get it to run.
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Just because YOU can't get it to run doesn't mean there is no game... it just means YOU can't get it to run.
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For a none existing game i've many fun with it
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Old 09-08-2012, 05:30 PM
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Just because YOU can't get it to run doesn't mean there is no game... it just means YOU can't get it to run.
I can get it to run. And I say there is no game, too. Be objective for JUST! ONE! MINUTE! for ** sake! Maybe you'll realize something then...

+1 to that other guy there.

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Old 09-08-2012, 05:50 PM
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I can get it to run. And I say there is no game, too. Be objective for JUST! ONE! MINUTE! for*** sake! Maybe you'll realize something then...

+1 to that other guy there.
My apologies that my pc is able to run the game well enough to play it on ATAG, I will try and remember next time that even though I can play the game at a constant 60fps and can go bomb targets with another three pilots in blenhiems with a cover from a spit or two that I am not allowed to enjoy it because a few twittering **** on this forum don't want me too.

Well I am not sorry that I can have fun in the game, nor am I sorry that I am not such a pessimistic turd like you...
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Old 09-08-2012, 07:12 PM
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When will you realise it is nothign to do with running the game, or CTDs (though these do affect many people)...it is what you have got *when* *it* *is* *running*.

It is not much a BoB game is it, really? And all thos emissing features - where did they go?

No amount of horse-power or low-level IO monitoring or Regedit or hex editing is going to change the fact that the core runtimes and graphics kernel (never mind associated caching, paging, DLL and general library calls) seem less than efficient, or coded to a particularly modern standard (even allowing for hardware abstraction layers etc). To say nothign of who coded them, and who is now coding/revising them.

*Then* add-in the fact you might well have a situation where new coders are being asked to unravel legacy code, while supplying new libraries and calls.

What you have there, my son, is quite possibly an unholy mess.

Stop fixating on your ability to run it and consider the wider question: is it well done to a decent standard? And is there a game there? Is there much BoB? And what do the patches and B6's prouncements taken together tell you?

Perhaps a fair few people are having the time of their life with this game. Good for them. But this isn;t about them. It's about the game as a whole, much of which is still missing, and all the indications are it will stay missing.
Once you acknowledge that simple reality, it actually makes you less tenacious and/or bitter and able to move on and look at things clearly.

Fogging up with obstinacy seems a waste of time to me. Each to their own.
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My apologies that my pc is able to run the game well enough to play it on ATAG, I will try and remember next time that even though I can play the game at a constant 60fps and can go bomb targets with another three pilots in blenhiems with a cover from a spit or two that I am not allowed to enjoy it because a few twittering **** on this forum don't want me too.

Well I am not sorry that I can have fun in the game, nor am I sorry that I am not such a pessimistic turd like you...
Krupi you need to get over it and admit there are problems with CLOD and stop lying to yourself.

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