Friday Official Update, July 27, 2012

[Hood]

What role does B6 have in developing or compiling the patch? Is it difficult to upload and link the patch and the readme?

Sure B6 does a hard job, but the rest don't seem to back him up. I don't know of many businesses that are reliant on customer goodwill that just don't support each other.

I think I'll be junior counsel for the prosecution.

Hood

[PotNoodles]

Just for the record, I would say most adults want a satisfactory outcome to a product they have purchased. I would also expect most adults to kick up a fuss if they kept getting fobbed off with what looks like the same stuff week in and week out. So lets cut out the "child jibes" shall we if we want to act like adults.

[LOPAN]

Originally Posted by PotNoodles

Just for the record, I would say most adults want a satisfactory outcome to a product they have purchased. I would also expect most adults to kick up a fuss if they kept getting fobbed off with what looks like the same stuff week in and week out. So lets cut out the child jibes shall we.

And to say nothing about that this was priced as an AAA title (US$50).

[MadBlaster]

I wonder if B6 is fibbing about being sick to cover for "unforeseen circumstance". I used to do that sometimes when I didn't want to go to school. "Mom, I don't feel good". It's a pretty good trick. Maybe we should do a poll?

[Force10]

So this is what it's come to eh Blackdog? Be-littling gamers because they wan't a sim to work instead of becoming a developer themselves? I don't know about others, but I work for a living and barely have time to actually play my sims let alone learn C# scripting or start poking around for work arounds.

For the people that have done this....I applaud them for taking the time to try and find workarounds for this mess...but time isn't a luxury all of us have. If 1C was up front and marketed this as a "buy in Beta program" then you might have a better point. Telling us to be good little lemmings and just take it in the shorts for the $50 to $70 isn't gonna fly with everyone. People are frustrated...and have every right to be IMO.

[Freycinet]

Originally Posted by Force10

So this is what it's come to eh Blackdog? Be-littling gamers because they wan't a sim to work instead of becoming a developer themselves? I don't know about others, but I work for a living and barely have time to actually play my sims let alone learn C# scripting or start poking around for work arounds.

For the people that have done this....I applaud them for taking the time to try and find workarounds for this mess...but time isn't a luxury all of us have. If 1C was up front and marketed this as a "buy in Beta program" then you might have a better point. Telling us to be good little lemmings and just take it in the shorts for the $50 to $70 isn't gonna fly with everyone. People are frustrated...and have every right to be IMO.

Thank God that you find time in your busy schedule for your several daily postings here and at SimHateQ!

[planespotter]

Originally Posted by Freycinet

Thank God that you find time in your busy schedule for your several daily postings here and at SimHateQ!

SimHateQ? I do not post there but I read there and find some good tips and materials in the main forum, which is not negative at all. They are created a subforum for the haters called 'extended' discussions, which I never visit, and the moderators are good to move all hate threads to there.

So I think SimHQ is very safe to visit.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Freycinet

Thank God that you find time in your busy schedule for your several daily postings here and at SimHateQ!

What ironic, childish drivel.

[klem]

Originally Posted by Force10

So this is what it's come to eh Blackdog? Be-littling gamers because they wan't a sim to work instead of becoming a developer themselves? I don't know about others, but I work for a living and barely have time to actually play my sims let alone learn C# scripting or start poking around for work arounds.

For the people that have done this....I applaud them for taking the time to try and find workarounds for this mess...but time isn't a luxury all of us have. If 1C was up front and marketed this as a "buy in Beta program" then you might have a better point. Telling us to be good little lemmings and just take it in the shorts for the $50 to $70 isn't gonna fly with everyone. People are frustrated...and have every right to be IMO.

I don't think BD is belittling anyone. He is simply taking a pragmatic approach to the situation.

What many people don't want to accept - understandably - is that there appears to be either a serious lack of expertise among the devs or they are facing coding problems that are extremely difficult to overcome or a combination of both.

Well, this is how it is. We bought damaged goods but no amount of complaining is going to make things go faster if either of the above are true and MG certainly aren't going to throw a massive new dev team at this.

Its all very well some people saying "I've been programming or creating games for years" but they don't know the specific problems the devs have so all their expertise may be irrelevant.

Appointing a new project manager won't improve the devs skills or suddenly throw light on the coding solutions.

Bottom line? We're stuffed. Get over it. We may not like it but we have a choice, either stick with it and hope for solutions as soon as possible or ditch it and go away. My patience is wafer thin too but I know I can only wait and hope. Sometimes life is just like that.

[LOPAN]

Originally Posted by klem

Appointing a new project manager won't improve the devs skills or suddenly throw light on the coding solutions.

You are just guessing the devs are unskilled, there might be a plethora of reasons behind these array of successive failures. However, all paths should lead to the PM, he is directly responsible for the success or failure of a project.

He is responsible for assuring the project is scheduled, meets deadlines, quality levels etc, which clearly is not happening here. If he the devs are unproductive, then he is directly responsive for this too, as he is in charge of choosing who does what or, at least, should have a strong influence on the team's assemblage. If the team needs more motivation, employees, training or whatever, he should have taken care of that ages ago. Otherwise, I think we can assume the company is into some financial problems or treating this project as non-important and putting it aside with one or another fella working on it sparsely just to keep up appearances.