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Old 07-30-2012, 04:03 PM
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Are you ready to give up on the right do defend your freedom in name of a "no guns" policy?
Do Americans actually believe the government is going to come knocking at any moment and take their "freedom"?

This is why you have a criminal justice system, with courts and the concept of due process.

Using your guns when the FBI comes calling is just going to get you killed.
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Old 07-30-2012, 04:16 PM
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Do Americans actually believe the government is going to come knocking at any moment and take their "freedom"?

This is why you have a criminal justice system, with courts and the concept of due process.

Using your guns when the FBI comes calling is just going to get you killed.
you say that to this lady, and many others like her

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/...me-2444936.php

"criminal justice system" and "process" aren't probably the best deterrents for such a scenario, isn't it? I'm sure that something like "burglary", "rape" and probably "murder" would have been the actual scenario, had she not had guns to defend herself and her baby..

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Old 07-30-2012, 04:59 PM
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you say that to this lady, and many others like her

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/...me-2444936.php

"criminal justice system" and "process" aren't probably the best deterrents for such a scenario, isn't it? I'm sure that something like "burglary", "rape" and probably "murder" would have been the actual scenario, had she not had guns to defend herself and her baby..
Good for her for doing what she did!

"Its better to have a gun and not need it, then to need it and not have it."
Don't think this is true? Well just look at Switzerland.



And on a slightly different note:

On a national level more people in the US then ever are legally buying guns and violent crime is reduced.
And yet Chicago, the city with the strictest handgun laws in the US, now has one of the highest murder rates, and high crime too.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...up-crime-down/
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Old 07-30-2012, 05:04 PM
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Could you verify how many people are killed by guns in Tokio or London where guns are prohibited and compare this with New York please?
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Old 07-30-2012, 05:41 PM
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Could you verify how many people are killed by guns in Tokio or London where guns are prohibited and compare this with New York please?
You could compare those with Switzerland? They have guns too, more per capitl than the Americans. How come the swiss don't kill eachother by the thousands? We have bebetween 20 and 25 million legal firearms in Canada for a population of 30 millions. How come we don't slaughter eachother?
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Old 07-30-2012, 06:01 PM
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As a Londoner not all gun crime is reported, they are rife on the streets here with "kiddie" gangs proudly showing them off.

Inner London housing estates tenants are prisoners at night too frightened to go out in the late hours, some areas are no go zones for any of the authorities, the same applies to certain cities and their sub cultural areas in the North of England.

There's nothing to be celebrated with gun ownership, if you have to own one its for the purpose of killing someone no matter what the circumstances are.

Here's a brave gang that paralysed a 5 year old recently.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...girl-paralysed

Yea guns are cool huh.....................





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Old 07-30-2012, 06:07 PM
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As a Londoner not all gun crime is reported, they are rife on the streets here with "kiddie" gangs proudly showing them off.

Inner London housing estates house tenants prisoners at night to frightened to go out in the late hours, some areas are no go zones for any of the authorities, the same applies to certain cities and their sub cultural areas in the North of England.

There's nothing to be celebrated with gun ownership, if you have to own one its for the purpose of killing someone no matter what the circumstances are.

Here's a brave gang that paralysed a 5 year old recently.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...girl-paralysed

Yea guns are cool huh.....................





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so its bad when a citizen (read: slave) actually defends themselves...but when a cop has to "defend" themselves (and when cops defend themselves is usually at a NON-threat) is a good thing....


enjoy your nanny state where you cant even legitimately defend yourself with your fists with out being arrested...

apparently people get arrested for showing a group of hoodlums intent on breaking in to your home a knife through a window.....cuz that actually happened over there...enjoy slavery...

us "freedom loving" americans will never tolerate the crap that has occurred in your country....freedom is a dangerous endeavor...im sorry you can not handle freedom



also if guns need to be made illegal...what should happen to cars...they kill MANY more people than guns....
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Old 07-30-2012, 06:10 PM
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As a Londoner not all gun crime is reported, they are rife on the streets here with "kiddie" gangs proudly showing them off.

Inner London housing estates house tenants prisoners at night to frightened to go out in the late hours, some areas are no go zones for any of the authorities, the same applies to certain cities and their sub cultural areas in the North of England.

There's nothing to be celebrated with gun ownership, if you have to own one its for the purpose of killing someone no matter what the circumstances are.

Here's a brave gang that paralysed a 5 year old recently.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...girl-paralysed

Yea guns are cool huh.....................
Personally, I like to hunt. Secondly, I have guns because I want as big a stick as the crooks have. No automatic weapons.

The reason gun control hype keeps popping up in civilized society is because the radicalized thinkers believe they can fix large segments of society.

The media is nothing more or less than a business making money from advertisers. The media no longer gives a whit whether you have a gun or not. The media will talk about anything that keeps their advertisers spending money with them. Sadly, it is no longer about journalism or reporting ethics. The wrong people nowadays on the media, and they are the worst of the money grubbing lot imaginable.

The best media is youtube or other internet sites. At least you can get to the truth eventually. If you watch the youtube with all the replays from mainstream media you just get fed the verbal lying goolash they want you to have.
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As a Londoner not all gun crime is reported, they are rife on the streets here with "kiddie" gangs proudly showing them off.

Inner London housing estates tenants are prisoners at night too frightened to go out in the late hours, some areas are no go zones for any of the authorities, the same applies to certain cities and their sub cultural areas in the North of England.








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And on a slightly different note:

On a national level more people in the US then ever are legally buying guns and violent crime is reduced.
And yet Chicago, the city with the strictest handgun laws in the US, now has one of the highest murder rates, and high crime too.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...up-crime-down/


Anyone can use any statistic to support any opinion they want. Correlation does not imply causation.
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