Huricane Mk I 100 Octane perormance tests 1.07.18301

[klem]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Well, E-4's with the DB601N engine running on C3 fuel would be historical. AFAIK the first ones appeared in very small numbers as early as July of 1940. It would be up to the mission designers (as it is now) to ensure the right aircraft are appearing in the right scenario.

If memory serves, though, there were only a handful of E-4/N aircraft made, so I'm sure there are better areas to spend development time and resources.

I think I read sowehere that only about 35 'N' engines were in 109s during the BoB, not that I want to start another of 'those' arguments.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by klem

I think I read sowehere that only about 35 'N' engines were in 109s during the BoB, not that I want to start another of 'those' arguments.

I think that's about right, hence my statement about prioritizing development resources. In a perfect world we'd be able to have all the little subtypes but I'd rather they get the mainstays in good shape first.

Speaking of which, do we know if we'll be getting a Hurri MkII with the Merlin XX, or if it arrived early enough in 1940 to be considered a BoB participant?

I found an ORBAT for Fighter Command but it doesn't list variants.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

I think that's about right, hence my statement about prioritizing development resources. In a perfect world we'd be able to have all the little subtypes but I'd rather they get the mainstays in good shape first.

Speaking of which, do we know if we'll be getting a Hurri MkII with the Merlin XX, or if it arrived early enough in 1940 to be considered a BoB participant?

I found an ORBAT for Fighter Command but it doesn't list variants.

I'm pretty sure it just missed BoB.

[Seadog]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

I'm pretty sure it just missed BoB.

Apparently squadron deliveries of Mk II aircraft began in September, but IIRC, some late production Mk 1s received the Merlin 20 but retained the Mk I designation and these reached squadron service in August.

[lane]

Originally Posted by Seadog

Apparently squadron deliveries of Mk II aircraft began in September, but IIRC, some late production Mk 1s received the Merlin 20 but retained the Mk I designation and these reached squadron service in August.

McKinstry and Mason both put the Mk II into service in September 1940 (see attached). Interesting bit about the Mk Is getting the Merlin 20...

[Robo.]

Oh yes, I'd really like to see the Merlin XX Hurricane in this sim, hopefuly one day we'll get the 1941 scenario, too. Bf 109F is in there, just few steps to the rest

Sticking to the OP and doing some more testing it seems the Hurricane FMs (all of them) are seriously wrong on many many levels. Is the data from klem's test applicable for the in-game environment? Can we put that in context with Spitfire and 109 tests done by the others?

[klem]

Originally Posted by Robo.

Oh yes, I'd really like to see the Merlin XX Hurricane in this sim, hopefuly one day we'll get the 1941 scenario, too. Bf 109F is in there, just few steps to the rest

Sticking to the OP and doing some more testing it seems the Hurricane FMs (all of them) are seriously wrong on many many levels. Is the data from klem's test applicable for the in-game environment? Can we put that in context with Spitfire and 109 tests done by the others?

I am re-doing the tests. I need to set them against Density Altitude. Also I discovered that the BCO does work, I thought it didn't because it has no effect at SL and 1000 ft tests I did so I assumed it didn't work. However early indications are that it is stilll well below par at low level, more to come.

I'll post here when I finish and completely revise my OP.

[klem]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

I think that's about right, hence my statement about prioritizing development resources. In a perfect world we'd be able to have all the little subtypes but I'd rather they get the mainstays in good shape first.

Speaking of which, do we know if we'll be getting a Hurri MkII with the Merlin XX, or if it arrived early enough in 1940 to be considered a BoB participant?

I found an ORBAT for Fighter Command but it doesn't list variants.

According to Wikipedia (yes, I know) it first flew on 11 June 1940 and went into squadron service in September 1940, also stated here
http://www.historyofwar.org/articles...rricaneII.html

Like the N engine 109s, there are more important things to fix. We should see it in BoM and N Africa - just starting a rumour .