To Oleg or Luthier: 4.09 / mods question

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Falke::

As I said, it's not that difficult to interpret this comment as a direct critics on Oleg and his lack of ability to do something against it. I don't think you wrote that due to my behavioral problems? You surely had a message and I just asked myself what message was and how people interpret messages like that, quoted or originally written by yourself.

There are other interpretations. The most comedic was made by hysterical anti-mod anonymous public server players at the unmoderated ubi forums claiming that Oleg allowed the hack mods to "kill" FB to push customers to BoB And Beyond.

I found it funny since it would theoretically push a small minority of anonymous public server people to the new sim, leaving the private server players and the larger offline customer base to enjoy FB modding. The claim doesn't make sense, unless FB is purely an Online Pay-To-Play sim with no independent private servers. But then, these hysterical anonymous public server players always considered FB to be a pure Online sim with no independent private servers. So the claim *does* make sense when viewed with that fogged perspective.

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by LEXX

Falke::
There are other interpretations. The most comedic was made by hysterical anti-mod anonymous public server players at the unmoderated ubi forums claiming that Oleg allowed the hack mods to "kill" FB to push customers to BoB And Beyond.

I found it funny since it would theoretically push a small minority of anonymous public server people to the new sim, leaving the private server players and the larger offline customer base to enjoy FB modding. The claim doesn't make sense, unless FB is purely an Online Pay-To-Play sim with no independent private servers. But then, these hysterical anonymous public server players always considered FB to be a pure Online sim with no independent private servers. So the claim *does* make sense when viewed with that fogged perspective.

Agreed, that's funny indeed and equally pointless.

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I won't say it was pointless. Fruitless yes, obviously.

The Simhq FB forum restricted hackmod discussion to one (1) thread. Maybe that would be a working compromise here. I don't have membership on any modding forums, but obviously I enjoy poasting about Mod Theory.

[Feuerfalke]

Well, I think it's okay for SimHQ and there are a lot of other forums, where these things are not banned any longer. People who are interested in that will find it and that's okay with me.

On the other hand, you may call me an old-schooler, but to me it is a question of respect to not discuss mods on the official boards.

[LEXX]

Well, that's why it would be a compromise. No mod discussion outside of the one thread, and any attempts to do so get snipped and the snippee pays a fair and balanced price.

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by LEXX

Well, that's why it would be a compromise. No mod discussion outside of the one thread, and any attempts to do so get snipped and the snippee pays a fair and balanced price.

Hm, that's exactly my message:
The way it is already IS a great compromise. What other crack is promoted so much in the open? What would it help to post that here, too, other than to have 1C, UBI and MG agree, that they can't do anything against it?

That's what I mean with respect.

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Falke, it is an alternative to what you seem to be complaining about here. I could go either way.

Pike (last page)::

Well, Like it or not it has certainly breathed new life into an older Sim and I suspect it will continue for some time yet.

One point though.....I think that given Oleg's resources and time constraints....now we have people all over the world simultaneously producing new maps etc which Oleg's team would have neither the time, people nor money to do in such a short timespan. I'm sure if he could have done them he would have eventually. If I were him I would just be quietly contented about my achievements and legacy......I can see one day in the future when there will be statues dedicated to him as the founder of modern flight sims if his work continues at this quality and rate.

I also don't quite understand the view on cheating, because you only play with your friends whom, I would have thought, would have no wish to cheat you. So any 'cheaters' would end up banned and with no-one to play with anyway.

Best regards,
Pike.

Mod cheating is a potential theoretic threat to anonymous public servers, especially to Newbies to the sim before they find friends to play with. However, as of now it seems the old rumours of the "online" sim's demise had been greatly exaggerated....so far...

Beautifully said Pike. Those are not just "nice words," you also help us prove false the idea that modders or mod users in general are insulting Oleg on the forums. Perhaps some are out of honest frustration or dishonest jealousy. I can see the breathing of new life into the sim. Looking at the simhq boards, it seems there are people buying the sim specifically with the intention of modding up -- as a replacement for EAW perhaps (not sure).