A worrying thought!!!

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

Whoever thinks CoD needs to be saved by 777 or anybody else needs to wake up.

RoF was done, toast, capute but Jason Williams (777) was able to purchase the rights and turn it around through some clever marketing and hands on approach (nice job Jason).

Why was RoF almost done? A horribly buggy release that had forums filled with trolls trying everything they could to bring the sim down and they almost succeeded....No wait, they did succeed, essentially bankrupt and under attack from the very community it tried to serve(sound familiar), the original team sold Rise of Flight to 777.

Some even speculated that the attacks were coordinated and designed to fell the burgeoning sim and I am starting to wonder the same about some here in this very forum under the guise of daily constructive criticism as if they are helping us by saying the same thing over and over.

777s takeover was not an instant fix either as the sim still produced launcher crashes for all every 20 minutes or so for the first year and a half

Yet in between the bugs and crashes 777 rereleased RoF in what was called the Iron Cross Edition and in retrospect is now considered a good move.

I tire of people comparing CoD to sims released 3-10 years ago using these mature software comparisons to scare new pilots away from an already small CoD community with blanket statements that more often than not, tell more about their system configuration or limitations than about the experience as a ww2 cfs pilot in CoD.

The funny thing is some of the CoD bashers have very little (if any) flight time and many I have never seen flying the sim.

[theOden]

Originally Posted by ATAG_MajorBorris

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The funny thing is some of the CoD bashers have very little (if any) flight time and many I have never seen flying the sim.

You're telling me you don't see the logic behind this?

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by theOden

You're telling me you don't see the logic behind this?

I think you missed the point, ppl would rather moan than help find the bugs!

Personally speaking has COD pissed me off HELL YES do I want it fixed before they do another game DAMN RIGHT, do I constantly moan and whine about the game NO. Why you ask, well its because I am not a baby who feel like I need to throw my toys out of the pram to get attention... I try to see the big picture I try (stress on the try ) to be mature, something which a lot of poster here seem to dispense with.

Now sometimes I feel like writing obvious facts about this game, this ludicrous childish forum and how the world works but when I see the like of Blackdog (who btw I have ton's of admiration for due to his eloquent, unbiased and precise point making) points out simple facts just to get them thrown in his face or ignored I wonder what the point is, some of you are so clearly bored of life that you will moan about anything and if COD does fail then I blame not only 1C, MG and Ubisoft but also the "community" (using the word loosely of course as this place is more like a cockfighting pit) so what is left, tell me who will make a ww2 flight sim of this level if MG goes under?

And don't tell me 777/ROF as I loved that game (just ask my fellow squad members) but over the past 1-2 years THEY have put me in a position that means out of principle I can no longer support there franchise, do I go and moan about it on there board well NO because I know it won't make a difference and it is a pity because that game had/has loads of potential just like this one could have if ppl would stop bashing and give it some time to mature.

I don't know why I even bother to post this as I know some fool is going to come along and break it down until the point is missed completely, but before you do that I should inform you I am not a il2 fanboy I am a ww2 flight simulator fan and it just so happens that currently MG is the only developer that is ticking the boxes that I want ticked and the way the gaming industry is currently going no one else is going to bother doing that, they would rather make the more mainstream games that you buy every year and what is your £50 a year getting you a few new models and new textures and the same old bugs well BRAVO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN CARRY ON AND WATCH FIGHT SIMS WITH ANY DEPTH GO THE WAY OF THE DODO!

MG are clearly trying to do right by this sim now either take a break from it or load up the beta patch and report bugs!!

[addman]

To everybody who thinks charging for extra content for flightsim is wrong/stupid, do you really think making a high fidelity stand alone combat flight game is financially viable these days? You do know why 1c have chosen the free-to-play path for the il-2 series right? It has to be PROFITABLE. Making games is not charity especially not when they are low-profile obscure combat flight games like Clod or RoF. You're living on planet 80's/90's if you think the current model of business 1c/MG have for il-2 is going to be successful. Kudos to 777 for charging for stuff they are creating to make a living, kudos to them and all other small indie studios who choose the same business model. They are not millionaires swimming around in money, they are trying to make a living on their hobby/passion.

The fact that you can fly though trees breaks all the realism and makes me think wtf they went to all this trouble to make everything look nice but they didnt think to sort out the trees and it just kills low lvl dogfights for me. were my bandit didnt make it out from a dive and he clipped the tree isnt there like it is in ROF. And also like a bomber thats engine is out has to make an emergency landing in a random patch of clear ground were he might crash in to trees and could die isnt there.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by ATAG_MajorBorris

Whoever thinks CoD needs to be saved by 777 or anybody else needs to wake up.

RoF was done, toast, capute but Jason Williams (777) was able to purchase the rights and turn it around through some clever marketing and hands on approach (nice job Jason).

Why was RoF almost done? A horribly buggy release that had forums filled with trolls trying everything they could to bring the sim down and they almost succeeded....No wait, they did succeed, essentially bankrupt and under attack from the very community it tried to serve(sound familiar), the original team sold Rise of Flight to 777.

Some even speculated that the attacks were coordinated and designed to fell the burgeoning sim and I am starting to wonder the same about some here in this very forum under the guise of daily constructive criticism as if they are helping us by saying the same thing over and over.

777s takeover was not an instant fix either as the sim still produced launcher crashes for all every 20 minutes or so for the first year and a half

Yet in between the bugs and crashes 777 rereleased RoF in what was called the Iron Cross Edition and in retrospect is now considered a good move.

I tire of people comparing CoD to sims released 3-10 years ago using these mature software comparisons to scare new pilots away from an already small CoD community with blanket statements that more often than not, tell more about their system configuration or limitations than about the experience as a ww2 cfs pilot in CoD.

The funny thing is some of the CoD bashers have very little (if any) flight time and many I have never seen flying the sim.

I dont want 777 to take over, though in the future a ww2 by them would be very interesting.
My point is if you look at the last patch by both parties...

COD

A second beta patch released that is by all accounts still buggy and problematic, introduced new bugs, released without a readme or a word from Luthier, since then no feedback or help with the new bugs or any word on when they will be fixed.
Luthier has had no contact with his customers, no posts for a long time now and has practicality vanished.
His last post was on the 13th of April.

ROF

A very good patch which added more content, graphic improvements, a whole new weapon system and a very good readme, and no bugs.

Jason spends time answering posts and spends 18 hours flying his own product online with his customers.

As i said "light years apart".

[Buchon]

Originally Posted by ATAG_MajorBorris

Some even speculated that the attacks were coordinated and designed to fell the burgeoning sim and I am starting to wonder the same about some here in this very forum under the guise of daily constructive criticism as if they are helping us by saying the same thing over and over.

In the marketing era where we live you can expect things like that every days, and as small is a niche more fierce the competition is.

If someone thinks that there no community-managers from the competence browsing this forum then is because he is very naive.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by ATAG_MajorBorris

Whoever thinks CoD needs to be saved by 777 or anybody else needs to wake up.

RoF was done, toast, capute but Jason Williams (777) was able to purchase the rights and turn it around through some clever marketing and hands on approach (nice job Jason).

Why was RoF almost done? A horribly buggy release that had forums filled with trolls trying everything they could to bring the sim down and they almost succeeded....No wait, they did succeed, essentially bankrupt and under attack from the very community it tried to serve(sound familiar), the original team sold Rise of Flight to 777.

Some even speculated that the attacks were coordinated and designed to fell the burgeoning sim and I am starting to wonder the same about some here in this very forum under the guise of daily constructive criticism as if they are helping us by saying the same thing over and over.

777s takeover was not an instant fix either as the sim still produced launcher crashes for all every 20 minutes or so for the first year and a half

Yet in between the bugs and crashes 777 rereleased RoF in what was called the Iron Cross Edition and in retrospect is now considered a good move.

I tire of people comparing CoD to sims released 3-10 years ago using these mature software comparisons to scare new pilots away from an already small CoD community with blanket statements that more often than not, tell more about their system configuration or limitations than about the experience as a ww2 cfs pilot in CoD.

The funny thing is some of the CoD bashers have very little (if any) flight time and many I have never seen flying the sim.

+1

Borris, like a U Boat in the night, I think you just sank their battleship.

[JG52Uther]

And on that note...