A Question for my fellow COD lovers

[Madfish]

Ze-Jams, seriously, you talk about a BETA patching and expecting it to be final. That's just not logical in any way and won't happen anywere. And no one said it was the final patch that solves everything. No one.

You also don't understand that they simply do not have the rescources. Interestingly blacksix already posted on it. But yeah, if you don't put money on the table - how do you expect them to work more on it? Do YOU work for free? I don't.

The focus HAS to be the sequel since CloD isn't selling anymore. If they don't get the sequel out they're done for. What's so tough to understand about this?

With the sales from the people bickering on this forum here they could maybe afford 2 workstations or so. They just can't keep the project afloat.


What you're expecting is not gonna happen. Not with their limited pool of rescources. If people can't see and accept that - why ask unnecessary questions? Just move on and forget that the game ever existed.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by Madfish

Ze-Jams, seriously, you talk about a BETA patching and expecting it to be final. That's just not logical in any way and won't happen anywere. And no one said it was the final patch that solves everything. No one.

You also don't understand that they simply do not have the rescources. Interestingly blacksix already posted on it. But yeah, if you don't put money on the table - how do you expect them to work more on it? Do YOU work for free? I don't.

The focus HAS to be the sequel since CloD isn't selling anymore. If they don't get the sequel out they're done for. What's so tough to understand about this?

With the sales from the people bickering on this forum here they could maybe afford 2 workstations or so. They just can't keep the project afloat.


What you're expecting is not gonna happen. Not with their limited pool of rescources. If people can't see and accept that - why ask unnecessary questions? Just move on and forget that the game ever existed.

Firstly calm yourself down...Im not expecting anything, im confused and hence why im asking questions..Im sorry if its not as obvious to me as it is to you or if it is then maybe im trying to get a few more answers..if you dont like what im asking, move along

Ok so in a nutshell..

CoD is finsihed as they dont have the resources...the focus is now on the Sequel before they run out of money..

These patches are being released to build up this big data base of bugs and known problems

So..

When the sequel is released which in turn will bring in more (we hope) money that money will be used to fix the 'known' problems with an array of Beta patches like we have now

Am i on the right track here?

[Warhound]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

Am i on the right track here?

I would say you are on a sidetrack.

As BlackSix said on the previous page, all of their programmers are working on CLOD...this doesn't mean the whole team, it means all the people who write code.
The rest; that is mapdesigners, modeldesigners, scenario/missionmakers, ... ; are focussed on the sequel. So we won't see new maps for CLOD, nor will we see new cockpits or planes or new ships etc.

These beta patches are being released to incrementally find and fix bugs till MG decide the code is ready for a Steam patch. After that none of us know what will happen.
There might be a new round of beta patches, providing they get time and funds from 1C..if not it will stay with one final, official patch.
Maybe 1C decides it's a lost cause and scraps the whole team..hopefully they keep investing and we see a sequel (MMO or other).

Why would you think these beta patches are purely for the sequel when BlackSix states "Don't use beta, wait official patch." in this very thread?
Yes the fixes we get now will benefit the sequel, as it uses the same engine and code... but these fixes WILL end up in an official Steam patch for CLOD too.

edit : That is right up to the point where the whole team switches to "the sequel", and they code new features and so forth for it..those won't end up in CLOD.
Unless the sequel can be merged.. then if you buy that, the new features will be in your merged install aswel and thus usable with the CLOD map.
Some doubt on my part here as they always said it would work like the old IL2 with merged installs.
But the recent rumours of a MMO might mean there won't be any merging, just a new game with the CLOD assets + russian front stuff all in one
...we'll find out if and when said sequel is announced or a while after as it's setup becomes clearer

[Madfish]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

When the sequel is released which in turn will bring in more (we hope) money that money will be used to fix the 'known' problems with an array of Beta patches like we have now

Am i on the right track here?

Adding to what warhound just said and what I believe sounds plausible: honestly, I don't know.

The reason is simple. The old IL2 sprung a few projects which licensed their engine.
We also got some hints towards some sort of massively online game that also involves ground.

I can't tell you if they purely focus on the new sequel or simply on the engine overall. As we heard the coder part is working on CloD which suggests that they are trying to make the engine part run well.

It's still possible that "CloD" will work like IL-2, meaning you get updates but need the sequels. But I can't say for sure.


What I can say for sure is that they need sales. Either the sequel or licensing the engine.



Sorry that the term Beta wasn't that known to you. Maybe it's just so natural to me since I am a bit involved with gaming since a long time. And frankly, I've seen much worse games than CloD which sold A LOT better.

[Blackdog_kt]

I'll have to partially agree with this:

Originally Posted by Warhound

It's the community who hypes these patches to hell and then acts all annoyed when they don't get what was expected, NOT promised except for a few rare instances.

even if i would phrase it in a bit less "pointy" manner, simply because a lot of people expect beta to be gameplay material.

In reality, alpha/beta means "you can test it if you want to and help me find what's wrong with it, but don't expect it to be flawless and final material".

A lot of people however will download the patch thinking it is finalised gameplay material and then they will of course be disappointed because it's not. By definition.

So, to answer the original poster's question. This patch is not meant to be the fix-all patch. It's just one step in the testing process of the fix-all patch. Cheers

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

I'll have to partially agree with this:



even if i would phrase it in a bit less "pointy" manner, simply because a lot of people expect beta to be gameplay material.

In reality, alpha/beta means "you can test it if you want to and help me find what's wrong with it, but don't expect it to be flawless and final material".

A lot of people however will download the patch thinking it is finalised gameplay material and then they will of course be disappointed because it's not. By definition.

So, to answer the original poster's question. This patch is not meant to be the fix-all patch. It's just one step in the testing process of the fix-all patch. Cheers

That's a good try but, in the long, a wasted effort as you won't get through to them.... They'll read into what is posted what they want to read (regardless of what was posted) and their expectations will morph facts into fantasy (hence the OP)



TBH, there are better behaved children at the local kindegarten.....

[PotNoodles]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

That's a good try but, in the long, a wasted effort as you won't get through to them.... They'll read into what is posted what they want to read (regardless of what was posted) and their expectations will morph facts into fantasy (hence the OP)



TBH, there are better behaved children at the local kindegarten.....

I think we are stuck between a rock and a hard place here because even without the beta the game has bugs. I guess it's a down to which buggy game you prefer to play in the end. The awful stuttering from day one of the game, or the launcher exe crashes that I'm currently experiencing with this beta patch. That's not the best choices to have, but I'm sure you will find a way to disagree with that. But maybe that's the reason people don't think they have a choice other then to download the beta patch and try to make the best of a bad situation. Now I don't think that is morphing the facts into fantasy, do you?

Originally Posted by PotNoodles

I think we are stuck between a rock and a hard place here because even without the beta the game has bugs. I guess it's a down to which buggy game you prefer to play in the end. The awful stuttering from day one of the game, or the launcher exe crashes that I'm currently experiencing with this beta patch. That's not the best choices to have, but I'm sure you will find a way to disagree with that. But maybe that's the reason people don't think they have a choice other then to download the beta patch and try to make the best of a bad situation. Now I don't think that is morphing the facts into fantasy, do you?

+1

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by Madfish

Adding to what warhound just said and what I believe sounds plausible: honestly, I don't know.

The reason is simple. The old IL2 sprung a few projects which licensed their engine.
We also got some hints towards some sort of massively online game that also involves ground.

I can't tell you if they purely focus on the new sequel or simply on the engine overall. As we heard the coder part is working on CloD which suggests that they are trying to make the engine part run well.

It's still possible that "CloD" will work like IL-2, meaning you get updates but need the sequels. But I can't say for sure.


What I can say for sure is that they need sales. Either the sequel or licensing the engine.



Sorry that the term Beta wasn't that known to you. Maybe it's just so natural to me since I am a bit involved with gaming since a long time. And frankly, I've seen much worse games than CloD which sold A LOT better.

No worries mate, i know what a Beta is but i guess im just confused as to the situation.. i dont read every thread here which would of partly answered some questions...

Some nice replys here and a bit more of an insight for me..

@Wolfrider
Take yer attitude somewhere else and yer insults too

[*Buzzsaw*]

Originally Posted by Madfish

The focus HAS to be the sequel since CloD isn't selling anymore.

The reason it isn't selling is because they did a Cr*p job on it, not because there isn't a community. The original IL-2 continued to sell even after FORGOTTEN BATTLES came out because it was a GOOD game. CoD is a lousy game that's why it doesn't sell.

And to compound the error and build a sequel on top of the current trainwreck is no way to solve the financial problems the company is having. Yeah they might get a few one off sales to start, but if the problems which plague CoD are present in BoM, then its future isn't going to be any brighter.

It would have cost them a lot less to get down and actually fix the problems in CoD instead of devoting all their time to building a new Sim. Instead they allocated the major portion of their resources to building new aircraft, maps and objects, all of which are going to be operating in the same poorly coded game enviroment.

How stupid do they think the community is? Do they think we will continue to buy half finished games on the promise we will have a different cockpit to sit in, while neglecting to mention yeah, different cockpit, same old issues?

Sorry, don't see this as a viable business plan, and I don't plan to be a subscriber.