Do we need AI at all? I do not think so...

He111 · #1 06-16-2012, 01:13 PM

I think this question is just filler .. the real question is, when do we get access to SDK, so we can fix AI bugs!

I whole heartly support the hard work the new russian team are doing to fix bugs ASAP but the bug list is growing faster, i think. And when you see bug reports like "the 98.76 octain fuel is only giving 123.78645 plbs of thrust on a winters day last sepquemby .. " and many people support this .. bug ? when the game doesn't have a proper "1946 like" mission recorder, you can see getting proper game play for offliners is going to take forever!

I really need access to the source code .. for dummies!

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tintifaxl · #2 06-16-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by He111

I think this question is just filler .. the real question is, when do we get access to SDK, so we can fix AI bugs!

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I don't think they'll release an SDK at all.

GBrutus · #3 06-19-2012, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tintifaxl

I don't think they'll release an SDK at all.

I can't see them releasing an SDK either, considering how much they have their work cut out just trying to get this sim playable at a basic level. Even if they were in a position to release an SDK to the community, I suspect this would just conflict with their future development plans anyway. Same reason we'll not see a proper SDK for Rise of Flight anytime in the near future. Unfortunate but understandable from a business perspective.

BG-09 · #4 06-21-2012, 05:38 PM

Very interesting question for me is how many of computer resourses the AI is consuming...
More sophisticated AI must consume a lot of computing power...does the simulation engine suffers from this? Definitely...

Well, more human desisions, and more human generated actions in-game is better option...

The AI question is very complicated matter...definitely nobody will partcipate in online simulation, just as driver, driving a fuel truck as a dive bomber target. A lot of psichology is involved here...

Regards!

csThor · #5 06-21-2012, 05:40 PM

Sorry, BG, but your POV is seriously FUBAR. The simulation aspect sufferes without decent AI adn the more "human decision" you enter into the equation the less simulation and the more "mindless pointless clusterf*ck" remains.

catito14 · #6 06-21-2012, 05:47 PM

Well, the BG thought is the idea that Luthier and Co. have .... in the MMO (their principal project), the AI will not exist, because all the vehicles, planes, etc will be driven by humans.

von Pilsner · #7 06-21-2012, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by catito14

Well, the BG thought is the idea that Luthier and Co. have .... in the MMO (their principal project), the AI will not exist, because all the vehicles, planes, etc will be driven by humans.

I don't remember Luther saying they were going to remove all AI, that would be crazy... I do remember one of the WOVII AI guys offering his help to make AI a bit better, but I don't know if Luthier ever took him up on that offer...

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Originally Posted by JG53_Valantine

AI improvements are one of the last desperately needed fixes in CloD

I agree 100%

BG-09 · #8 06-21-2012, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by catito14

Well, the BG thought is the idea that Luthier and Co. have .... in the MMO (their principal project), the AI will not exist, because all the vehicles, planes, etc will be driven by humans.

That is exactly what I mean...but this simulation of air war is attracting for now only virtual pilots, but not virtual tank drivers or virtual submarine mariners. Thats why we need AI it seems for complete war theater simulation.

JG53_Valantine · #9 06-21-2012, 05:52 PM

Personally I think AI should be one of their key points of improvement right now. We are in a relatively niche genre - even when you take tank simmers/ sub simmers / flight simmers etc. all into account without thinking that there could be any cross over between these fan bases (which I am certain there would be since I play 2 out of the 3 types of sim listed) As such without AI even as an MMO there is going to be a hell of a lot of empty space with nothing going on.

AI improvements are one of the last desperately needed fixes in CloD - after that a lot of the other remaining issues or missing things I personally can wait until BoM for as right now I've got a relatively stable game, which I can fly with my squad on a regular basis, can jump into ATAG for a bit of PvP when I fancy, and can fly offline or against the computer in - and the only thing that really reaks the immersion and lets it all down is the AI being so poor on a frequent basis.
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