Fresh stuff from sukhoi.ru (Discussion)

[Stublerone]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

Hi Black Six i know that now it is the most important to get good performance of CLoD without CTDs ect. but i think FM aspect is also important. Checking performacne of planes in beta patch i found that it is far from RL test and not accurate. It is possible to contant or disccus it with 1C flight model programist or it is possible he take part of discussion about CLoD planes historical performacne? I think there is still many things to correct? Maby if he would come here to comunicate in these forum e.x section FM it would help in future FM changes? just thinking and asking that it would be good idea?

Sorry mate, it seems, that you not looking to other threads or the development. We have several new changes in fm, which will be hetting some fixes. So tjey are aware of fm problems. But please concentrate on the game performance at first. Nearly every thread is about fm in later posts.

Please also have a look into bugtracker! It was also stated, that the beta patch will have fm changes, but as I haven't tested the alpha, I cannot say anything about fm changes already implemented in this alpha stage. I guess, that there are not the changes listed in the beta patchnotes concerning bf109, etc.

In general, FM should be no priority for now. First, the people should be able to play.

There are threads like"incorrect performance data" where you can discuss, but not in this news thread, please!

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by Stublerone

Sorry mate, it seems, that you not looking to other threads or the development. We have several new changes in fm, which will be hetting some fixes. So tjey are aware of fm problems. But please concentrate on the game performance at first. Nearly every thread is about fm in later posts.

Please also have a look into bugtracker! It was also stated, that the beta patch will have fm changes, but as I haven't tested the alpha, I cannot say anything about fm changes already implemented in this alpha stage. I guess, that there are not the changes listed in the beta patchnotes concerning bf109, etc.

In general, FM should be no priority for now. First, the people should be able to play.

There are threads like"incorrect performance data" where you can discuss, but not in this news thread, please!

Alpha patch has already the FM changes, it has been written by B6 and discussed in 1000's of posts in the last week.

[Stublerone]

That is the problem

It is simply impossible to have a structured reading session here. Everybody say thanks and good job and keep up and and and.
But no real structured informative posts. Noone looks on the topic and think about it, before writing. They are starting a thread about fm and at least 20 guys write something about graphics and their 10000 timesrepeated question for anti aliasing support in every patch!

And again, my posts today are trash again as well. Just to fight against nonsense World of Warcraft kid posts! Sorry, but when I see my own posts and how much it has to do with the game, I could cry of this waste...

[Lurker_71]

Originally Posted by Stublerone

and their 10000 timesrepeated question for anti aliasing support in every patch!

It is a legitimate question, and your failing to see its relevance and validity does not invalidate it.

[Kwiatek]

Originally Posted by Stublerone

Sorry mate, it seems, that you not looking to other threads or the development. We have several new changes in fm, which will be hetting some fixes. So tjey are aware of fm problems. But please concentrate on the game performance at first. Nearly every thread is about fm in later posts.

Please also have a look into bugtracker! It was also stated, that the beta patch will have fm changes, but as I haven't tested the alpha, I cannot say anything about fm changes already implemented in this alpha stage. I guess, that there are not the changes listed in the beta patchnotes concerning bf109, etc.

In general, FM should be no priority for now. First, the people should be able to play.

There are threads like"incorrect performance data" where you can discuss, but not in this news thread, please!

Read my post more deeply. I wrote that of course performacne of game and crash free is most important thing now. But i think also that FM programist dont take part into performacne coding but he concentrating on flight model engine. So i just got idea that he ( flight model programist) could discuss with community here about flight model and performacne of planes which for now need a lot of fixes and a lot attention. I think community has also something to offer in these area which could be helpfull for making CLoD more realistic and historical then it is now. Just my point.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

Read my post more deeply. I wrote that of course performacne of game and crash free is most important thing now. But i think also that FM programist dont take part into performacne coding but he concentrating on flight model engine. So i just got idea that he ( flight model programist) could discuss with community here about flight model and performacne of planes which for now need a lot of fixes and a lot attention. I think community has also something to offer in these area which could be helpfull for making CLoD more realistic and historical then it is now. Just my point.

I am sure that's exactly what the fm guy wants more ludicrous info from "unbiased" armchair experts... Sigh

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

I am sure that's exactly what the fm guy wants more ludicrous info from "unbiased" armchair experts... Sigh

[Kwiatek]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

I am sure that's exactly what the fm guy wants more ludicrous info from "unbiased" armchair experts... Sigh

Well not everyone are armchairs experts but you right most of them are

Other hand still i see that 1C had problems with accurate and historical performacne of these birds

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

Well not everyone are armchairs experts but you right most of them are

Other hand still i see that 1C had problems with accurate and historical performacne of these birds

Agreed but it's understandable there are so many variables it's not a job I would relish and as these forums have proven we are not exactly a bunch of relaxed, like minded and diplomatic people, in fact were mainly g!ts with a prickly g!tish outside and a hard sarcastic core...

[klem]

Performance, FMs, BETA feedback are all covered in the Bug tracker which keeps a 'clean' view of the problems without them becoming an argumentative thread. That's where change requests should be posted with supporting data - or just vote on an existing one to get it further up the list.

The FMs are well known and where there is a Bug tracker for a FM the historical data is given. I'm sure the devs know all this data, I think they just got it wrong when they changed the FMs. I was a bit concerned when they named one person as their source for the data (no disrepect, I don't know him) but they do have the actual historical data available.

Like the messed up Spitfire throttles I expect them to get it right in the end and it may be that the FM programmer was only allowed a limited amount of time on it, pehaps he is mostly working on BoM now but they do need to adjust them in CoD asap. As Kwiatek said, he is not likely to be the person tasked with improving graphics performance so FM changes could be done as a task running in parallel with the major problems.