Is this the New Winston Churchill?

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by swiss

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As a side effect we lose a big part of the population which is a good thing
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Presumably you see yourself very firmly in the group that survives then...

...or are you going to selflessly volunteer yourself as part of the few million (billion?) who die?

[Hood]

Originally Posted by kendo65

Presumably you see yourself very firmly in the group that survives then...

...or are you going to selflessly volunteer yourself as part of the few million (billion?) who die?

Darwinism in action I'd say.

[bongodriver]

I like my life, I'd like to keep it a bit longer, so no, I do not think that is worth consideration.

Not a criticism Bewolf but isn't this part of the problem? everybody feels that way and every day more and more of us are feeling that way because everyday there are more and more of us, all happily living our lives thinking everything is rosy....it's gonna be standing room only on this planet at some point......what do we do?

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Not a criticism Bewolf but isn't this part of the problem? everybody feels that way and every day more and more of us are feeling that way because everyday there are more and more of us, all happily living our lives thinking everything is rosy....it's gonna be standing room only on this planet at some point.

You are right there, but there is not much pride in our intellectual capabilities if holocaust is the only option, now is there?

Everybody "knows" we can't go on the way we currently do. Everybody "knows" we have to scale back. Despite everybody trying to find excuses and work arounds, that feeling persists. That, imho, is the reason for all that doosmday behaviour.

The solution would be to scale down. Not even "that" far, but a few inconviences were to indeed return to our daily lifes. But seriously, I'd rather like a bit less comfort, which we all will have settled in after a few months, then annhilation.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

You are right there, but there is not much pride in our intellectual capabilities if holocaust is the only option, now is there?

Everybody "knows" we can't go on the way we currently do. Everybody "knows" we have to scale back. Despite everybody trying to find excuses and work arounds, that feeling persists. That, imho, is the reason for all that doosmday behaviour.

The solution would be to scale down. Not even "that" far, but a few inconviences were to indeed return to our daily lifes. But seriously, I'd rather like a bit less comfort, which we all will have settled in after a few months, then annhilation.

Of course, I certainly don't advocate mass culling etc.....but ultimately our fate is potentially far worse if the problem is not taken to hand, so what possible solution could there be to mass overcrowding of the planet?....I believe nature will make some of the choice for us but either way the whole mess is going to be of our own making so what difference does it make if we do something about it or Nature?

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Of course, I certainly don't advocate mass culling etc.....but ultimately our fate is potentially far worse if the problem is not taken to hand, so what possible solution could there be to mass overcrowding of the planet?....I believe nature will make some of the choice for us but either way the whole mess is going to be of our own making so what difference does it make if we do something about it or Nature?

I do not think there is one big solution to it. And there currently are some scientific developments that make any predictions in this case entirely dubious. Genenics are making such jumps currently that our lives may look entirely different in a few decades. It's currently developing into a business for the upper classes in detecting genetic defects and deficits and attempts to counter them.

China has a huge stake in this as well, they have a rapidly aging population. Their only chance to maintain their growths is by trying to lenghen their population's productive life span. It's about aging in any case and the research on why we get older. That, btw, would be the second great dream of humankind, after flying, eventual immortality. Do not dismiss this as science fiction, despite this development not getting much coverage.

So we may not even have to deal with overpopulation, but ever longer life spans as well.
Humankind as a whole will have to grow up quite a bit to deal with this.

Just to put that into perspective. It is ever going harder today to get to ressources. You have to dig deeper, get more expensive high tech equipment to reach deposits. This is not pick axe material anymore. So if we let it rumble on a global level again, and that is I think what you are aiming at (would not make much sense in rebuilding if the chinese forge ahead meanwhile. In doubt, they will be the ones doing the rebuilding and nothing is solved), there is no coming back.

[chantaje]

1st get rid if the elitist that manage the world with the only interest of profit. (bankers, politicians, top 1% wathever you call them)

2nd, get a new political class (after a "intelectual revolution") that adress the real problems of the world, more as the human race as a hole than individual countries with useless nationalism.

3 enact laws that are strictly persecuted so we can reduce world population peacfully in a few generations. enable abortion, no more than 1 son per family etc.

4 make the life controlled by laws si resources so we dont waste resources and human life is sustainable.

5 reach a stable population to mantain a faily good standart of living, if possible a lot more equally distributed

we have 50 years or we are all going to die horribly . we or our children

[swiss]

Originally Posted by kendo65

Presumably you see yourself very firmly in the group that survives then...

That would be very inconsequent, don't you think?

...or are you going to selflessly volunteer yourself as part of the few million (billion?)?

I'm talking about a situation where you'd have to expect a draft rather than volunteer.
I also decided against having my own offspring.
It has always been a pita for the past 10 years to talk my gf out of it...

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by swiss

That would be very inconsequent, don't you think?



I'm talking about a situation where you'd have to expect a draft rather than volunteer.
I also decided against having my own offspring.
It has always been a pita for the past 10 years to talk my gf out of it...

Why? Argueably, despite the economic turmoil in Europe, there has never been a time in the entire european history were ppl were better of then now.

So why those mass suicidal tendencies?

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Why? Argueably, despite the economic turmoil in Europe, there has never been a time in the entire european history were ppl were better of then now.

I dare to doubt that, furthermore I dont five a damn how ppl are off in eastern Europe, fact is we are off quite worse than 30 years ago.
There are several reason for that, agreed, but this is not the line I want to argue about.

What I do care about is the planet, which in my terms is neither humanity or the rock floating in space, but the whole flora and fauna living on it.
What gives us the right to destroy the habitat of all those beings?
You mentioned the progress in genetics - this could be indeed a way out, once you manage synchronize humans even socialism could work.
In the end however, we will be nothing more than one gigantic ant hive - is that what you want? Is that worth to live for?
Given the choice I'd prefer to die any day to make this future not come true.
Btw; have you ever seen " soylent green"?