Is this the New Winston Churchill?

[Kupsised]

I'm currently across the Baltic from you (southwards, Eestis) and work with quite a lot of Finns so I know the feeling, though I think it's the same all over. We have it to some extent back in the UK too, but obviously we're not as much of a welfare society as Finland or Sweden. Even so, it's nothing that a devaluation of the Euro would fix, which was my point, but with what you said, we can only hope for the best I suppose.

[ATAG_Doc]

I think we're in for some interesting times over the next decade.

[MB_Avro_UK]

The Euro was a 'political' creation. Designed to 'unite' Europe.

But 'money' is not political. Money takes no prisoners.

And Money does not recognise the Geneva Convention.

Interesting times ahead. Reap what you sow.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

[addman]

Originally Posted by MB_Avro_UK

The Euro was a 'political' creation. Designed to 'unite' Europe.

But 'money' is not political. Money takes no prisoners.

And Money does not recognise the Geneva Convention.

Interesting times ahead. Reap what you sow.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

No, the EU and the Euro was designed to create the "greatest" bureaucracy the world have ever seen and to give Germany the power over Europe without armed forces. These so called liberals spawned all these ideas and now it's like Soviet Russia was with centralized power. Some paper-shifter in Brussels is deciding how our cucumbers here in Finland should be shaped (I'm kidding you not). It's gonna break up, say whatever you want and turmoil will follow and I know that it won't be pleasant to be a politician or a banker when that happens because that's where the blame will fall.

P.S With regards to the OT, no that is not a new Winston Churchill, that is a political troll that does have a few good points...that's it.

[brando]

We must fight back in the bureaux of government, Addman. Not so long ago the Brussels mob tried to control the length and straightness of the bananas that we Britons could purchase in our stores and supermarkets.

Noting this, and preferring the magnificent curves of the Jamaican variety to the stubby digits presumably grown in the now defunct marijuana factories of Holland; our government spoke out in Europe and gained an exemption.

I'm not sure whether we sent N.Farage to insult the Belgian Prime minister or something - but we won.

Winston would simply have sent the Royal Navy to blockade the Belgian ports.

B

[Bewolf]

This thread is fun, you never stop learning. I just realized that:

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[addman]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

This thread is fun, you never stop learning. I just realized that:

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Wow! I should have just posted those 3 pictures instead of writing all that, really sums it up.

[Kupsised]

Originally Posted by brando

We must fight back in the bureaux of government, Addman. Not so long ago the Brussels mob tried to control the length and straightness of the bananas that we Britons could purchase in our stores and supermarkets.

Noting this, and preferring the magnificent curves of the Jamaican variety to the stubby digits presumably grown in the now defunct marijuana factories of Holland; our government spoke out in Europe and gained an exemption.

I'm not sure whether we sent N.Farage to insult the Belgian Prime minister or something - but we won.

Winston would simply have sent the Royal Navy to blockade the Belgian ports.

B

The bananas thing is flat out untrue. See here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6481969.stm

EDIT: Also, if it were true, under the principle of direct effect, Britain would never have an opt out of that legislation. That's not how the EU works. All directives and regulations proposed by the EU have to be implemented in national law else the members states get taken to court and heavily fined. And anyway, any legislation made by the EU has to be ratified by both the Council and the Parliament in the EU. The Council is made up of representatives of each of the member states governments, the parliament is directly elected by the people. Nothing the EU passes is magically created out of the bureaucracy.

As for Winston blockading the Belgian ports, it might be worth remembering that Churchill was one of the major advocates for a United States of Europe, something much more extreme than we have now. A lot of anti-EU Conservative supporters seem to forget that, or at least willfully ignore it, but Churchill was extremely pro-europe and would have been pro-EU if he had been around long enough, if not even potentially criticising it for not going far enough.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Kupsised

The bananas thing is flat out untrue. See here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6481969.stm

EDIT: Also, if it were true, under the principle of direct effect, Britain would never have an opt out of that legislation. That's not how the EU works. All directives and regulations proposed by the EU have to be implemented in national law else the members states get taken to court and heavily fined. And anyway, any legislation made by the EU has to be ratified by both the Council and the Parliament in the EU. The Council is made up of representatives of each of the member states governments, the parliament is directly elected by the people. Nothing the EU passes is magically created out of the bureaucracy.

Quoted for truth, though unlucky national governments have developed a tendency over the last 20 years to direct any illdoings of thermselves at the EU whenever it comes to elections.

People in here should know a bit about history and learned a thing or two, amongst them foremost the principles that if something goes wrong..blame somebody outside the country! Still, to this day that works like a charm, in Germany, in the UK, in France, in all of Europe and the US, in Russia (remember, it was foreigners at fault for mass protests against Putin....). Case in point this thread.

And then I get asked in PMs why I am often so hostile.
I have to ask back, how can you not if people don't ever manage to move above Bild, Daily Mail, Fox News and whatever else "news"papers levels.

[MB_Avro_UK]

Originally Posted by addman

No, the EU and the Euro was designed to create the "greatest" bureaucracy the world have ever seen and to give Germany the power over Europe without armed forces. These so called liberals spawned all these ideas and now it's like Soviet Russia was with centralized power. Some paper-shifter in Brussels is deciding how our cucumbers here in Finland should be shaped (I'm kidding you not). It's gonna break up, say whatever you want and turmoil will follow and I know that it won't be pleasant to be a politician or a banker when that happens because that's where the blame will fall.

P.S With regards to the OT, no that is not a new Winston Churchill, that is a political troll that does have a few good points...that's it.

Yes. That's what I said, but not in so many words.

Europe is not America. There is very little commonality between countries in Europe. There are huge differences in culture, economies and aspirations. To be 'united' by the same money has not worked. It was a fanciful political utopia.

The reality of capitalism has emerged. Europe would have been better off without the Euro.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.