The unfortunate turth

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Opitz

You guys who lost all critical thinking are just.... it is a waste of time to talk with you.

Coming from a person of your attitude, it is a compliment, thank you.

now customers are getting alpha patch, in first it was patch - epic fail, then two or three BETA patch - epic fail, and now it is ALPHA patch. Next one, if any, will be beta version of ALPHA patch. Afterwards, it will be alpha version of ALPHA patch... welll next-gen sim brings also next-gen kind of patches... The flight sim history in the making!

Last time I read there was a vocal minority here that wanted the patch, even the alpha version of it. They got it allright. They found another reasons to complain too.

I have never ever in whole game industry's history saw such mess... In my 20 years of gaming I never saw so many new "terms", new "approaches", new "BS"... I believe that Steam community will never witness worse game than this EVER.

TBH I don`t remember when was the last time I saw such a mess too. But I`m not acting as if it was the end of the world. My advice if you can`t wrap your head around that would be : don`t.

Get used to it. You all were transformed from customers to alpha testers for next sequel. Maybe Luthier should make you special status here, so we all see directly if you are tester, and later they can give you next sequel with discount, or map of Moscow and Luthier's poster with signature for free.

And if this sim ever makes something it was meant to be from the start, you will be thanking those who provided bug reports and constructive critics to help. Because I have yet to understand why you insist on staying here and complaining instead of doing something better with your time.

Not so funny is how few members here are twisting the meanings of words just to manipulate with people and put some lipstick on the pig, right?

It would be good if you provided some examples of that.

edit. btw. I was shorting banks before the collapse of finance sector in USA and people in discussions were in same state of denial like some of you here... after one year of being told BS, less and less keep this "stock"... of course you are free to believe that same people in charge who caused this mess will find the solution and everything will be fine. Majority just gave up looooong time ago.

Comparing collapse of finance sector to a video game development. Nice one. Why don`t you just stick to the "buying a new car" analogy since you repeated it so many times that you have to get it right eventually.

[150GCT_Veltro]

For my opinion this is a dead project. After saturday i give it up. This game after so many months is still too crude and horrible to hope in somenthing more.

I would like only to know what has gone wrong with Storm of War, because it did look much better than this r*****h.


CoD will not be the new serie for the IL2 community, this for sure.

We'll see in the next two years with Moscow.

Originally Posted by carguy_

Coming from a person of your attitude, it is a compliment, thank you.


Last time I read there was a vocal minority here that wanted the patch, even the alpha version of it. They got it allright. They found another reasons to complain too.


TBH I don`t remember when was the last time I saw such a mess too. But I`m not acting as if it was the end of the world. My advice if you can`t wrap your head around that would be : don`t.


And if this sim ever makes something it was meant to be from the start, you will be thanking those who provided bug reports and constructive critics to help. Because I have yet to understand why you insist on staying here and complaining instead of doing something better with your time.



It would be good if you provided some examples of that.


Comparing collapse of finance sector to a video game development. Nice one. Why don`t you just stick to the "buying a new car" analogy since you repeated it so many times that you have to get it right eventually.

I will react only to your last reply...

I am not comparing collapse of finance sector and video game dev... I am comparing state of denial of FEW people here, who act on behalf of devs and whole community (cuz "dectractors" are not part of community) and put themselves in the position to judge whats good and whats wrong (for this game, combat sim world, video game industry etc...).

Beta patch is alpha patch. What devs really wanted from their customers - enjoy their game by playing it or to become their alphatesters?

Now all of you play "IL2: AT" game, where AT means ALPHA TESTING... Enjoy it, if you have nothing better to do...

P.S. Don't be angry, because people are fed up with Luthier making them fools once again...

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Opitz

I am not comparing collapse of finance sector and video game dev... I am comparing state of denial of FEW people here, who act on behalf of devs and whole community (cuz "dectractors" are not part of community) and put themselves in the position to judge whats good and whats wrong (for this game, combat sim world, video game industry etc...).

Borderline comments are on both sides. Hard to say who is reacting to who, but that is certainly the case. It is obvious that there are quite a few ppl that always see the CloD glass half empty and try to impose their views on others (such are also comments accusing others of being in denial). Other people find this a reason to post something positive about the situation.

IMO whatever you are - a negative or positive person - you are part of this community. Even those who did not buy the game yet, but are lurking to find it in a fixed state.

Beta patch is alpha patch. What devs really wanted from their customers - enjoy their game by playing it or to become their alphatesters?

TBH I do not know why devs released it. They said multiple times before that they want to release the ready version. Why the shift of decisions it is not up to me to answer this. Maybe as BlackSix put it, they want to widen the testing crowd. My guess is they are unable to tell by themselves if the patch is ready or not. Anyway, if I had time to test it , I would. Out of pure will to help. I don`t see nothing wrong with that.

Now all of you play "IL2: AT" game, where AT means ALPHA TESTING... Enjoy it, if you have nothing better to do...

Well, I took my part in testing RCs back in the IL2 days when it was simple enough. Since Steam entered the scene, I don`t really think it is worth the effort and risking of being banned. Although I can see other ppl are willing to help. There were many requests for releasing the beta patch.

P.S. Don't be angry, because people are fed up with Luthier making them fools once again...

What constructive input can come from people being fed up about it?

[fruitbat]

pre patch,



post patch,

[Mysticpuma]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

pre patch,



post patch,

Wow, that really is a big difference. The textures are very soft in comparison!

I'm just checking out the on the lettering on the dials and also the top of the control column. That's a big difference in definition!

It seems that to increase the frame-rate they have decided to remove all the beauty, like clouds, grass, textures....so removing 50% of the items it came with should increase the frame-rate by 50%?

Not the best way of fixing it surely?

MP

(Still living in hope!)

[Buchon]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

pre patch,



post patch,

This post would be more useful in the bugs thread than in a Trolling thread fruitbat.



BTW, for the "audience", they did not remove the textures to improve the performance, how this can even be true if the textures are there in the 70 FOV view ?

The textures still there even in the 90 FOV, if you use the offset button and move forward the mouse they will be visible :



The problem its just that the range of the new texture manager is to short in cockpit view while you are using the 90 FOV.

This make me wonder even if our "beloved audience" have played the game or just go here to throw his "invaluable comments".

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Buchon

This post would be more useful in the bugs thread than in a Trolling thread fruitbat.

Done Buchon

[vpmedia]

both images got a bit purple coloring, the 2nd lost its sharpness

[PotNoodles]

Originally Posted by carguy_

Last time I read there was a vocal minority here that wanted the patch, even the alpha version of it. They got it allright. They found another reasons to complain too.
.

They have found many reasons to complain because they have been told week in and week out what has supposed to of been fixed in terms of bugs. Just before the release of the patch Blacksix, reported a small list of bugs that still remained. However, we still got exited just to read that the FPS had double for most Pc's and that the CTD had almost been eliminated. Now all of a sudden we find we are beta/alpha testers again because the Devs have handed use a patch that hasn't really fixed the CTD, or doubled Fps. Please don't tell me it's because of a vocal minority they released the patch when it was only the other week that Blacksix said they wouldn't release a patch until it did what it said on the tin. They have released it because they realize now they need more testers to find the bugs, it's nothing to do with anyone demanding the patch. Maybe they should have released it sooner and they would have had the bug report quicker if anything.

Many weeks of thinking this is getting fixed and that is getting fix, judging by the reports coming out. Then we find out these things are the same and even worse for many when the patch finally arrives. I wonder why people moan I really do.