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[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

We haven't decided that we need them, yet.

Ok...so weve arrived at that point, it's time for full automation and me and you have now designed this lovely jet with front facing window seats for the really classy passengers, we have successfully eliminated the need for pilots who are so rubbish because they became over dependant on lovely systems, and we have replaced it with a shiny new computer which is also dependant on lovely systems but it doesn't need to drive a sports car and have affairs with sterwardesses, innaugural flight on the megajet 2000 and thers a 'fzzzzt' and all those lovely systems go down, now we have a computer without even a head to scratch.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Ok...so weve arrived at that point, it's time for full automation and me and you have now designed this lovely jet with front facing window seats for the really classy passengers, we have successfully eliminated the need for pilots who are so rubbish because they became over dependant on lovely systems, and we have replaced it with a shiny new computer which is also dependant on lovely systems but it doesn't need to drive a sports car and have affairs with sterwardesses, innaugural flight on the megajet 2000 and thers a 'fzzzzt' and all those lovely systems go down, now we have a computer without even a head to scratch.

All that means is we have 2 fewer dead people in the wreckage. If all the systems go down the pilot and co-pilot are just (literally) dead weight.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

All that means is we have 2 fewer dead people in the wreckage. If all the systems go down the pilot and co-pilot are just (literally) dead weight.

Well if they had some form of controll you might call them the world's best paid glider pilots.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Well if they had some form of controll you might call them the world's best paid glider pilots.

You just said that all the systems are down. If the systems are down then they don't have any way to control the aircraft.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

You just said that all the systems are down. If the systems are down then they don't have any way to control the aircraft.

read it again

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

innaugural flight on the megajet 2000 and thers a 'fzzzzt' and all those lovely systems go down

If the systems are down you don't have control of the aircraft now. How is that any different from the megajet 2000?

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

If the systems are down you don't have control of the aircraft now. How is that any different from the megajet 2000?

one more time

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

one more time

I can read it 100 more times and it won't change anything. When the systems go 'fzzzzt' everyone dies now, and they'll die in the megajet 2000.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

I can read it 100 more times and it won't change anything. When the systems go 'fzzzzt' everyone dies now, and they'll die in the megajet 2000.

Ok I just went to the kitchen and explained this to a root vegetable....and it got it.

The megajet has 'no' pilots, you then took us out of the megajet and put us back into a hypothetical jet that does have pilots, therfore not the megajet, the systems I was talking about are the systems the megajet computer relied on to function...its virtual eyes and ears, systems are not controls in this case, a computer that doesn't know where it is isn't going to solve its way out of anything without the super shiny systems you and me designed to help it, a pilot with a window and a yoke and rudders is much better.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Ok I just went to the kitchen and explained this to a root vegetable....and it got it.

The megajet has 'no' pilots, you then took us out of the megajet and put us back into a hypothetical jet that does have pilots, therfore not the megajet, the systems I was talking about are the systems the megajet computer relied on to function...its virtual eyes and ears, systems are not controls in this case, a computer that doesn't know where it is isn't going to solve its way out of anything without the super shiny systems you and me designed to help it, a pilot with a window and a yoke and rudders is much better.

If a modern jet loses power everyone is dying. That is as certain in a jet with pilots as it is in the megajet 2000.