Ignore the "patch" thread

What if the person went a step further and simply changed the dates and made a new topic with the link to the old file. I bet most people wouldnt have even read the notes before starting download.

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by tarks

What if the person went a step further and simply changed the dates and made a new topic with the link to the old file. I bet most people wouldnt have even read the notes before starting download.

I can post a new thread with a link to spyware. But is there any reason to download anything that does not come from B6 or luthier, does not have current date and reasonable readme text? People must take responsibility for their actions one day. It is called growing up.

When they do grow up they hopefully stop blaming the devs for purchasing a product they did not want to buy. Grown ups take responsibility for their actions. Kids blame others for their actions.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Ataros

I can post a new thread with a link to spyware. But is there any reason to download anything that does not come from B6 or luthier, does not have current date and reasonable readme text? People must take responsibility for their actions one day. It is called growing up.

When they do grow up they hopefully stop blaming the devs for purchasing a product they did not want to buy. Grown ups take responsibility for their actions. Kids blame others for their actions.

I agree. People have to take responsibility for their actions. I hope joker enjoys his banning because no one else is responsible for his actions except him. I did read the date of the topic and acted responsibly by not DLing the patch. Foobar's (I think it was him - could care less who) attempt was to trap people into doing what some did. It was malicious and at the very least mean spirited. Isn't there enough of that sh!t in this forum already?

[FG28_Kodiak]

Best would be the mods make a new section for old beta patches and store the threads there. So it's impossible to fake the release of a patch, any longer. The problem is not all looking for the date.

[priller26]

So this whole beta patch was a joke played on us? Thank god I didnt delete my cache.

[drewpee]

What a mean immature thing to do. It's always a great joke until it's you who gets stuffed around. To defend such a thing it like saying "she wore a short skirt so she deserved it". I love a joke but when it's at some one else's expense your not funny, your just a low life.

PS. Thanks for the warning pstile.

[ChocsAway]

Originally Posted by drewpee

What a mean immature thing to do. It's always a great joke until it's you who gets stuffed around. To defend such a thing it like saying "she wore a short skirt so she deserved it". I love a joke but when it's at some one else's expense your not funny, your just a low life.

PS. Thanks for the warning pstile.

I totally agree mate.

It's beyond me as to how anyone can posess the mentality to think it was even remotely funny. What with the fake B6 post and now this, it gets old real fast especially for those that are eagerly awaiting the release of the patch to even make CloD playable.

This idiot obviously has far too much time on his hands and has some of the mentality of a person that finds it amusing to see peoples systems infected with a virus.

He knowingly got people to download and alter their CloD installation with old data...easily rectified I know, but that's not the point. I don't blame the people that did though. It's not the most important thing in the world but the release of the patch is eagerly awaited and very important to many here that are passionate about CloD and its future.

The forum has suffered enough in recent months without this sort of crap.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by Ataros

I can post a new thread with a link to spyware. But is there any reason to download anything that does not come from B6 or luthier, does not have current date and reasonable readme text? People must take responsibility for their actions one day. It is called growing up.

When they do grow up they hopefully stop blaming the devs for purchasing a product they did not want to buy. Grown ups take responsibility for their actions. Kids blame others for their actions.

Well, having worked for many years with developing financial systems I must disagree... Everyone is not that "suspicious of mind" (like me for example ). You would be amazed at the stuff that intelligent users has tried to make over the years overriding explicit warning windows many times That's of course just one of the reasons financial systems have validation checks in every layer of the system, but customer/employee errors with large amounts are more common than one may think!

And then we talk about stuff that if the system had not stopped the transaction further down the chain would lead to a lot worse stuff than applying an old necro bumped patch to CloD

[Ataros]

It feels so good to blame and punish others for your own decisions like upgrading a PC, purchasing CloD or downloading spyware from internet. Blaming others implies that they are bad guys but I am a much better guy compared to them. This is why it feels so good. E.g. dictators like Stalin or Hitler usually blamed and executed their generals for their own mistakes.

It is much more painful to take responsibility for a mistake and admit to yourself: "I can not pay attention when needed. I can not control my anxiety. I can not clearly think when excited. I need someone else like forum members or admins to tell me what to do because I can not make responsible decisions myself. I am not a grown up man yet."

No one can "get" you to purchase a game, upgrade a PC or download a file from internet. It is always you who make a bad decision unless you have a gun pointed at your head when you make it. Children do not make their own decisions of cause as adults make them for them. Then most of children grow up and learn to take responsibility.

[irR4tiOn4L]

Originally Posted by Ataros

It feels so good to blame and punish others for your own decisions like upgrading a PC, purchasing CloD or downloading spyware from internet. Blaming others implies that they are bad guys but I am a much better guy compared to them. This is why it feels so good. E.g. dictators like Stalin or Hitler usually blamed and executed their generals for their own mistakes.

It is much more painful to take responsibility for a mistake and admit to yourself: "I can not pay attention when needed. I can not control my anxiety. I can not clearly think when excited. I need someone else like forum members or admins to tell me what to do because I can not make responsible decisions myself. I am not a grown up man yet."

No one can "get" you to purchase a game, upgrade a PC or download a file from internet. It is always you who make a bad decision unless you have a gun pointed at your head when you make it. Children do not make their own decisions of cause as adults make them for them. Then most of children grow up and learn to take responsibility.

I'm sorry, but while I believe that at an individual level people should indeed look long and hard at their actions and do everything they can to prevent mistakes, I also think that no one should act with malice and ill intent toward others and I don't subscribe to the kind of philosophy which tends to minimise the actions of others.

Yeah, it might sound nice to talk about liberty and agency (ignoring doubts about free will and determinism) and pretend you are an island impervious to all assault but in practice this ignores malice and ill intent on the part of others and actually CREATES SPACE for those misbehaviours.

It is both desirable in a practical sense and right that people should challenge the actions of others when malice or ill intent is suspected. It is what prevents and discourages those behaviours (alongside personal philosophies) and allows us to work toward a better world. There's nothing childish about that.

If anything is childish, it is trivialising and infantilising Hitler and Stalin. Those men did not commit the crimes that they did because they blamed others. They did so first because of profound personal corruption of their humanity and human values, and second because of certain truths about high public office that we do not like to admit (history does not always allow for being nice) and because of world views that they didn't create and we are embarressed to admit were held more widely (racism, geopolitics, our appetite for world domination).

If there's something to take out of the recurrence of war with WWII, it is not that the failure of individual men to take responsibility for their actions brings the world to calamity - it is that the failure of the collective to hold itself to account for its thoughts and actions spawns such men.

Let me ask you a question. If war is so unequivocally terrible, if it is only the deranged like Hitler and Stalin who desire it, then why are we sitting here replaying it? Part of holding yourself to account is holding yourself to account for a failure to challenge the actions of others.