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[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by AKA_Tenn

I'd like to see a spit or a p40 or any plane like that with no skin, just the skeleton, so its easy to see all the electronics and cables and such...

well most WW2 planes are a monocoque design, so you can't really "skin" them, they would just bend and break. Some have their panels partially removed or cut to show the inside structure though, you can find them in several museums.

[AKA_Tenn]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

well most WW2 planes are a monocoque design, so you can't really "skin" them, they would just bend and break. Some have their panels partially removed or cut to show the inside structure though, you can find them in several museums.

just weld it all to a steel bar or something?

[taildraggernut]

Originally Posted by AKA_Tenn

just weld it all to a steel bar or something?

Weld aluminium to steel? good luck with that.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by taildraggernut

Weld aluminium to steel? good luck with that.

Actually, you can - an aircraft company developed a process which made it possible - although it's super complex and only done by robots.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by swiss

On the other hand, today, 70 years later, it's not exactly in the same condition it was when it went down. So, what is it you want to show? The power of sandstorms?
You could as well part it out or restore it.

Or build one friggin huge diorama in a museum(is that realistic?).

It isn't, but it's in remarkably well preserved and complete conditions, modifying or changing any part of it would be a crime. It should be treated like an archaeological find, because that's what it is, and should be cleaned and preserved in its conditions. Once again, we're not looking at a rare warbird, but finding one so complete after so many years is a proper rare (if not unique) thing. It should get cleaned and go in a diorama as you said, like this P-40 here, found in shallow waters in Italy





http://forum.tantopergioco.it/discus...-delle-orme/p1

Originally Posted by AKA_Tenn

just weld it all to a steel bar or something?

you wouldn't be able to that easily, it's the design of the thing that is meant to be covered with "structural skin", so even if you created a framework of steel, it would be so big that it would detract from the original looks. Monocoque construction was meant to make lighter planes, but it also meant a more structurally fragile airframe.

[Sutts]

I wonder if we have any Egyptians among our ranks? Would love to hear what those guys in the vids are saying.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Sutts

I wonder if we have any Egyptians among our ranks? Would love to hear what those guys in the vids are saying.

any Arabic speaker might do as well.

[BadAim]

Originally Posted by Sutts

I wonder if we have any Egyptians among our ranks? Would love to hear what those guys in the vids are saying.

I trust that it was something to the effect of "What a wonderful pile of scrap metal, it must be a gift from Allah! Where did Abdul put the saws-all? Sorry boys, but it will be a miracle if this find survives the next few days.

[palker4]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

well most WW2 planes are a monocoque design, so you can't really "skin" them, they would just bend and break. Some have their panels partially removed or cut to show the inside structure though, you can find them in several museums.

Well i have seen MiG-21 that had most almost all of its skin removed on one side of the fuselage. I think that most aircraft would survive such treatment

[taildraggernut]

Mig-21 is not a stressed skin construction.....well it kind of is, but it's built using heavier and stiffer formers and spars which are much more self supporting.

Maybe a Hurricane or other fabric covered aircraft can be displayed that way, but a typical WWII all metal airframe is a monocoque (stressed skin) and would deffinately bend and wobble with no skin on.